Dawn of the Planet of the Apes

[yoco]

Release Date: July 11, 2014
Studio: 20th Century Fox
Director: Matt Reeves
Screenwriter: Scott Z. Burns, Amanda Silver, Rick Jaffa, Mark Bomback
Starring: Andy Serkis, Jason Clarke, Gary Oldman, Keri Russell, Toby Kebbell, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Enrique Murciano, Kirk Acevedo, Judy Greer
Genre: Sci-Fi

A growing nation of genetically evolved apes led by Caesar is threatened by a band of human survivors of the devastating virus unleashed a decade earlier. They reach a fragile peace, but it proves short-lived, as both sides are brought to the brink of a war that will determine who will emerge as Earth's dominant species.

[Instab]

nice, the last one wasn't bad for a remake although it couldn't match the original atmosphere. cautiously looking forward to this one

[slikrapid]

ugh, so this time around the impossible scenario of the 2011 remake: 'handful of apes in a forest' wins vs. 'human planetary forces' (they must have used a chapter from the 'a sheep-herder's guide for leveling sky-scrapers & other magical things') gets turned upside-down into: 'handful of genetically-evolved-ape wannabes' wins? vs. 'many of, like, really genetically evolved apes' in 2014 - well spent ~3 years of scriptwriting, no?

They reach a fragile peace, but it proves short-lived, as both sides are brought to the brink of a war that will determine who will emerge as Earth's dominant species.

naturally, the main issue is whether the lincoln memorial statue gets a human body with a monkey head or the other way around:
- 'genetically-evolved-ape wannabes' chose 'human body with a monkey head', logically, since the apes are really genetically evolved, ie. a superior species
- 'genetically evolved apes' chose 'monkey body with a human head', logically, since as seen in the 2011 movie, they are viewing humans as more beautiful, ideal, thus mimicking their behavior/expressions throughout the movie
- and so the war becomes inevitable, since none of them were sufficiently evolved to figure out a solution to their problem, something as simple as: 'hunt-down that monkey who made unauthorized use of a typewriter to create script(s) for the aforementioned movies' (granted, in remarkably short periods of time)

for more related thoughts/observations, see:

http://www.sb-innovation.de/showthre...199#post285301

[hellman]

LOL monkey army against mankind Rise of planet of apes was ok but this has gone way too far

[yoco]

Apparently a virus is killing a mankind for a decade that's why monkeys are winning?

[Blocker]

Really!? a new movie

Hollywood definitely lost its creativity and now is all about gross margins

[Sazzy]

Really!? a new movie

Hollywood definitely lost its creativity and now is all about gross margins

I'm pretty sure it was already announced when the last movie released that there was going to be a sequel. Personally, I enjoyed part 1, so I will watch this as well. That being said, something new would be nice about now.

[yoco]

[tr-cht-fx-242p]

It's right now yet to be proven what is the dominant species on Earth. The human species like a pathogen regenerates without thought to the quickly declining resources necessary for life and a proliferation of waste detrimental to life. At one time the very largest of species being the dinosaur was dominant. Very small species have been around for a very very long time and may prove to be. Other primates being a similar size will likely go out with and before humans, so I doubt the movies premise will come true. The originals of "Planet of the Apes" leave a feeling of unknown species self demise and with that I don't think anyone can know how a species will fall.

[slikrapid]

@tr-cht-fx-242p:

It's right now yet to be proven what is the dominant species on Earth.

why would there be a need to prove something like that? depending on the criteria used, the answer may differ quite a lot
however, if the most important criterion is used: possibilities (not probabilities) of significant further development (mostly spiritually, less so mentally, the least so physically), then the answer is pretty obvious: (intelligent) humans

The human species like a pathogen regenerates without thought to the quickly declining resources necessary for life and a proliferation of waste detrimental to life.

i don't buy into that new age propaganda 'human=like a virus' story, its an attempt at misdirection & spreading guilt:
- who exploits the resources so much & intentionally dumps waste around? (large) corporations
- who doesn't even try to keep them in line? government(s) around the world, leading politicians, large political parties
- who is pushing all this perpetual growth, mindless industrial/computer revolutions, extreme consumerism & co. - scientific organizations, large media companies (both financially owned/supported by either large corporations or governments)
- the same goes for large agra/medica/pharma, lobbyists, etc., covering all fields of human activity
...
- however, who allowed them to wield such power with barely any restrictions/responsibilities/consequences? the (gullible) voters did

- resources are not declining (this story has been spreading fear/panic for a few decades now, artificially inflating prices, causing crises as well), it is unknown how much resources there is in the first place, it is unknown how much of them is being continuously created during time either - notice that the resources consumption hasn't declined over these decades, it has increased with no sign of slowing down - though i agree that the exploitation/consumption is mindless & exaggerated, a reasonable consumer/producer doesn't behave like a spoiled brat, taking their resources for granted, wasting them away, etc.

I don't think anyone can know how a species will fall.

isn't that rather simple: a species that faces extremely different living conditions(regardless of the cause) compared to those it was used to, cannot adapt (sufficiently) in time to preserve itself and dies out...other, more resilient (at least in this case) species manage to adapt and continue on...in the meantime some completely new species arises simply because it favors these new living conditions, etc.

[tr-cht-fx-242p]

@slikrapid

I'll reply quickly without research or facts just for fun and thereby most probably write something stupid.

I don't say a need to prove but only to specify the "Planet of the Apes".

I was only thinking very generally and as the human species as a whole not as guilty and not guilty individuals somehow separated from corporations; everybody as a whole. What I see is a population explosion of humans and a test of human intelligence to living within its own created change bounded by the Earths unmeasured ( but not unlimited ) resources and unpredictable change.

The dominant species on Earth over a long period of time (i.e. 500 million years ) compared to short term (i.e. 1 million years) are two different ideas. I was thinking more so of the long term half a billion years. That's my spirituality and I don't feel guilty, buy into ideas too easily, or judge.

I fantasize, like the movie, and look at things in a vast way so perhaps that how I contribute to Earth's difficulties rather than looking at much shorter time blocks for contemplation.

[slikrapid]

@tr-cht-fx-242p:

What I see is a population explosion of humans and a test of human intelligence to living within its own created change bounded by the Earths unmeasured ( but not unlimited ) resources and unpredictable change.

sure, lets also add that it shouldn't be too hard for (lets arbitrarily say) even a several times larger population to live off of the earth's resources if this populace is only moderately good at sustaining themselves and doesn't waste too much of what it has - so the usual scare regarding overpopulation is unfounded on these grounds (numbers of people alone), though through poor resource management the current population still manages to run into problems where there should not be any (again corruption, mismanagement, ignorance, carelessness,...), so it doesn't really matter how many people there are right now since what they do is pretty mindless and won't end up well anyways - any material advancement of a society is worthless if the people/leaders in charge are corrupt (abusing their power) or people/voters are ignorant (falling for the same old tricks over and over again) and currently the majority is ever-salivating over these 'advancements', yet their state of mind will keep them from using the advancements in a reasonable/proper way - yet another problem is that many of the currently popular 'waking up' projects are nothing more than baits designed to catch loose cash and stray fish, keep them hypnotized, focused on just another well-packaged & shiny idea, financed by a number of those same old (or new) corrupt leaders/corporations (things like zeitgeist, new age philosophies, etc.)

The dominant species on Earth over a long period of time (i.e. 500 million years ) compared to short term (i.e. 1 million years) are two different ideas.

well, i'd say these numbers are way out of: our reach or need to 'worry about' or make decisions about, even 10 000 years is already quite a stretch (see our current history struggling to peek beyond, what ~5000 years, many of much closer/recent events aren't well documented or understood, even less so with a corrupt science/system/leaders, regardless whether it was history or climate or religion or some other field in question)
what can be said, however, is that history repeats itself, so whatever we're experiencing right now was already similarly experienced by others like us in the (more or less distant) past and will be experienced by yet others in the (more or less distant) future until the greater cycle restarts again and all of this repeats itself in a similar fashion

when i say 'others like us' its primarily meant as human-like beings, but it may apply to everything else as well (ape-like, or more correctly: animal-like beings, plant-like, matter-like), so they will all be present in some way/variation in any era observed, thus there is no real domination, just co-existence, co-dependence, co-interaction of beings on various levels of existence - something that may look as domination on the surface becomes ever less so as one tries to gaze beneath/beyond the surface of things

I'll reply quickly without research or facts just for fun and thereby most probably write something stupid.

never mind that, who can find all of these facts anyways (plenty are already fabricated/misinterpreted, thus useless or worse, deceiving), its better to rely on one's common sense when discussing things, less so on 'established doctrines' (many of which tend to crumble upon closer examination)
also, nothing personal, yeah? i just write it as i see it, can get a bit serious-sounding or apocalyptic or whathaveyou, but, you can always try to prove/show/argue a different view in a good debate/discussion hehe

[yoco]

[yoco]

Watched it today. It was pretty good movie. I'm not biggest fan of first one, but this one surprised me.

8/10

[Sazzy]

Coincidentally I have also watched this today!
I liked the first and loved this one better. In my opinion, it does honor to the original movies and I loved seeing this view on how everything started.