Exigo privacy concerns on torrents.ro

[Mihai]

You guys!Check out what this l33t staffz0r from Exigo wants from t.ro:

I'm staff at E.

Yes, we are aware of the topic in the forum here.

We've banned some of the romanian users at E who have participated in this thread. This can be confirmed by the users if needed. (Invites to the site are not open, if we think you are eligible as a member we'll be in touch with you.)

As long as the thread remains here with references to the url and full name of the site romanian users at E will have a very, very difficult time to invite anyone. (In fact, romanian users will probably not get invited at all, if the full name of the site and url remains in this thread.)

It's counterproductive for both E and the users here (who presumably wants to get invited to E via this forum).

We'd kindly like to ask the administrators that this thread be removed. If that's not possible we kindly ask for the removal of the url and full name of the site from this thread.

As it is now this thread only accomplishes to make it extremely difficult for romanian users to join E, and presumably that's not the intention of the forum and not what the users want.

Kind regards
K., staff at E

The nerv this guys has...
And I'm ashamed that the staff from t.ro( it's a romanian filesharing forum if wondering) actually modified the title because of this crap...

[Instab]

their site their rules

[Mihai]

Yup.But when you come on another site and threaten us to ban Romania because of a forum thread...
Just to see how idiots some can be...

[anon]

And I'm ashamed that the staff from t.ro( it's a romanian filesharing forum if wondering) actually modified the title because of this crap...

What would you have done, if you had had to choose between editing a thread name or banning Romania from signups?

As much as I think the Exigo staffer is a fucker for doing that, I think I'd have acted the same way as the Torrents.ro staff.

[Gapo]

And kowtow to their threats? I think not. There's something called "taking a stand" and this is it.

[saebrtooth]

t.ro has the right to put whatever they want on their forums just as sbi has

exigo has the right to do whatever they want with their tracker and if that mean banning according to their rules they can do it.

t.ro doesnt have to kowtow but if they want in then follow their rules exigo doesnt own t.ro anything

t.ro doesnt have to remove their thread but be adult enuf to face the consequences

[Gapo]

Ironically, that should be said to Exigo. Not the other way around.

[saebrtooth]

Ironically, that should be said to Exigo. Not the other way around.

Where can u see the irony?
Which direction did u see my comment directed at?
Which comment did you see notice an ironic comment made?

hmm
I thought I was rather even handed

[Gapo]

t.ro doesnt have to kowtow but if they want in then follow their rules exigo doesnt own t.ro anythin

"Want in"?

t.ro doesnt have to remove their thread but be adult enuf to face the consequences

Last sentence in the above qoute is the one I found surprising. How come t.ro have to "face the consequences"? Am I missing something here? It's rather the opposite, Exigo are the ones who should deal with the consequences. There's a thread about them somewhere, so what? Deal with it Exigo. Banning members as a result is rather premature attempt at handling it.

[saebrtooth]

simple my dear watson take this analogy

If u want entry into some1's residence they are king of the castle

Just take SBI for example some ppl love porn and would like/dont mind to express their love of porn or even another one they like warez and according to that indiviudal's personal philosophy they like to express as they will, however SBI has certain rules regarding the posting of these in public on their forums. If u break SBI's rules then u need to accept the consequences.

It just so happens that exegio doesnt want their name splashed freely as I do now, and if that mean all SBI members are banned from their tracker its upto them for what is written pertains to them, its their rep, its their status they would like to protect.

How about this you publicly announce, anyone who disses my mom, I dont give a fuck if u u dissed her in my house or not, ur never gona come in my house. Thats your choice, but it is also others complete choice to respect those rules if u want access (want in) to their tracker.

What choice to do you have, go and petition t.ro and write an essay or make a loud statement as to how wrong they were for kowtowing, or maybe even a stronger statement would be to use ur account at exegio, kick up a storm in protest and say to them they are "suck fucks I am ashmed to be assoicated in any way with you" please ban me!!!

What can you do in practical terms? Just protesing here doesnt seem to do justice to the simmering agitation you show. I would also like to see how it would unfold.

[Gapo]

SBI has certain rules regarding the posting of these in public on their forums. If u break SBI's rules then u need to accept the consequences.

The problem with the SBI analogy is that of: it's done in this forum. This forum decides what their rules are. Period. BUT and here it comes, Exigo can't force their rules on another site. That's where you can't compare the both.

Exigo on the other hand should face the criticism given. The actual concern expressed here is the way how Exigo are responding back. If anything, they aren't dealing with the consequences in a mature way. Instead, they go bashing and singling out their members, regardless if they contribute in a good manner or not. In other words, they're enacting their threats. That is premature and not facing consequences. Not sure what else there's to say to that.

It just so happens that exegio doesnt want their name splashed freely as I do now, and if that mean all SBI members are banned from their tracker its upto them for what is written pertains to them, its their rep, its their status they would like to protect.

I didn't say it wasn't up to them, I said it's a premature way to handle things. More like a way to threaten people to stop it or X will do Y, which they did.

So if I ban users from forum X because they said something I didn't like/voiced legitimate concerns, I'm protecting my reputation by removing those members?

There's something called taking constructive feedback. If they're merely being disruptive, then it's understandable to disable or ban those. However, resorting to threats that effect legitimate users on the forum is far from protecting it. They can individually remove the users who they deem are counterproductive.

How about this you publicly announce, anyone who disses my mom, I dont give a fuck if u u dissed her in my house or not, ur never gona come in my house. Thats your choice, but it is also others complete choice to respect those rules if u want access (want in) to their tracker.

You'll have to clarify this more. It's too unclear to me what you're trying to say with regards to to your analogy.

What can you do in practical terms? Just protesing here doesnt seem to do justice to the simmering agitation you show. I would also like to see how it would unfold.

Last but not least, you're taking this too personal. I'm not taking this to a personal level, so please respect that. What I am doing is expressing concerns, which is far away from agitating.

[Mihai]

Looks of talk about this.Well I have more for you guys

21:28:15 Session Ident: Knuthulu (~knuthulu@P2PNET-D0DC7A86.bb.online.no)
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21:28:15 | Knuthulu: yes, of course
0021:29:10 | sirAndrew: now, the thing you should know about is that you've started a riot and you got exactly the opposite of what you intended
1421:29:28 •›› (Flaviu) highlighted you in (#torrents.ro): acu o sa fie si sirandrew l33t.nu o sa mai vorbeasca cu noi
21:29:39 | Knuthulu: I see
0021:29:44 | sirAndrew: the thread was 3 years old, and was left that way because nobody really cared about it, as not many members have an account
0021:30:04 | sirAndrew: now it's the hottest thing since toast
21:30:19 | Knuthulu: okay
0421:31:03 | Knuthulu: sirandrew as long as the url and name of the site is there it doesnt really matter if the thread is active or not
0021:31:28 | sirAndrew: there is a rule that we censor tracker names and/or links to them but that is really subjected and must have a really good reason for it
0021:31:43 | sirAndrew: subjective*
0021:32:17 | sirAndrew: coming in with threats to ban innocent people is not the way
21:32:42 | Knuthulu: I was not threatening to ban anyone, nor am I
21:33:04 | Knuthulu: your/our romanian users were the ones bringing this to our attention
2129 | Knuthulu: the users at e who were banned after posting in the thread at your forum were breaking the most important rule at e: do not talk about the site
002157 | sirAndrew: wait, so talking about the site even though you don't mention a name or an url is forbidden?
1421:35:13 •›› (zbierpechat) highlighted you in (#filelist.ro): slaps sirAndrew`s ass
21:35:27 | Knuthulu: no, but they were mentioning names and url's in the thread
0021:35:52 | sirAndrew: i'll check again
0021:36:06 | sirAndrew: but it was one post (link) and thread name
0021:36:12 | sirAndrew: started by a non-member
0021:37:47 | sirAndrew: now i have a problem that i'd like you to help me figure out since you started this
21:37:47 | Knuthulu: I see, but would it be possible for staff to remove the url to the site and have people refer to the site simply as e? the topic and discussion could go on as it does, but for our site it would mean a lot to have the whole name and url removed
0021:38:16 | sirAndrew: i'd really like to help you but hear me out for a bit
21:38:25 | Knuthulu: yes, I'm all ears
0021:39:10 | sirAndrew: i've got a dozen users kicking my balls for censoring the name for a short while, well not me, they're kicking bubucea's balls he's the one you contacted
0021:39:34 | sirAndrew: and another dozen users asking us to close the thread afraid of being banned
21:39:42 | Knuthulu: I was told to contact him, yes
0021:40:04 | sirAndrew: if i remove the name/url....the first dozen will go ballistic and being control
0021:40:28 | sirAndrew: if i don't, you will start banning romanians, innocent users who have nothing to do with this mess
21:40:32 | Knuthulu: I can fully understand that, I'm staff so I know how people are
21:40:55 | Knuthulu: we are not banning users unless we know they've posted in the thread
0021:41:43 | sirAndrew: they are actually saying we censored the name because we want an account at E
0021:41:44 | sirAndrew:
21:42:21 | Knuthulu: that's not how the torrent world and private sites works, your users must know that
0021:43:02 | sirAndrew: we kind of have TheDog to proove that asskissing gets you places
0021:43:14 | sirAndrew: and i suspect he was the one to tell you guys about the thread anyway
21:43:39 | Knuthulu: generally speaking, in the filesharing community we respect each others rules, and so far sites likes yours have agreed to not listing the url/name in similar threads
0021:44:38 | sirAndrew: i'm thinking of doing the same
0021:45:06 | sirAndrew: however
0021:45:28 | sirAndrew: you have to understand that i can only ASK my users to reffer to the site as E and not to post the link
0021:45:37 | sirAndrew: if they do, i can't punish them for it
21:45:42 | Knuthulu: yes, of course
21:45:57 | Knuthulu: I understand thats the rule
0021:46:17 | sirAndrew: meh, i'll do it then
0021:46:30 | sirAndrew: it's gonna start a freaking war but i couldn't care less
2119 | Knuthulu: I dont think its a good situation for your site or mine if people post the name/url, and it wouldnt take anything from away from the discussing at your site if people simply wrote e instead of the full name
002138 | sirAndrew: i'll lock the thread for now, i know how some of them are
21:48:01 | Knuthulu: I appreciate it greatly if you do
0021:48:05 | sirAndrew: they'll start posting the link like crazy lol
0021:48:23 | sirAndrew: hell i've had the PTN link at my sig for an year just to piss off some dudes
21:48:29 | Knuthulu: some users are always going to be angry, no matter how you handle the situation
0021:49:02 | sirAndrew: sorry to tell you this, but they were revolted about the fact that you threatened with bans
21:49:37 | Knuthulu: they shouldnt be upset, its the number one rule at the site
1421:49:57 •›› (Maddoxro) highlighted you in (#torrents.ro): sirAndrew, te o fi rugat, care era motivul ?
21:50:48 | Knuthulu: users at e are upset too, we dont like to ban members even
when they've earned it
0021:54:06 | sirAndrew: this is the result of my decission
0021:54:08 | sirAndrew: http://forum.torrents.ro/cartea-util...8-vrei-titlu-p
ersonalizat-20.html#post307715
0021:54:20 | sirAndrew: they want custom titles with the site's url
21:55:51 | Knuthulu: well thats not good for us
002108 | sirAndrew: my point eactly
2128 | Knuthulu: it will only hurt the romanians who are members at e or want
to be members
2141 | Knuthulu: the url is either there, or its not
21:59:35 | Knuthulu: its suprising that they'll do it, but its not really a lot I can do
about it, its not the first time a message like that has been sent about e to a site
2217 | Knuthulu: I appreciate you contacting me, and we'll see how it goes
002255 | sirAndrew: would be fun if you started inviting people from the forum to
your site lol
002256 | sirAndrew: not me
0022:02:04 | sirAndrew: but it might calm them down
22:03:55 | Knuthulu: our invite policy is very strict, so there is just no way that can
happen. Al invites are checked by more than one staffmember before they approved
and if we are in doubt we decline the invite
22:04:39 | Knuthulu: if they've been good members and uploaders at another site
like what or waffles for a few years we might accept the invite
22:06:43 | Knuthulu: I have to run now, but I'll get back to you, we'll see how
things turn out
0022:07:53 | sirAndrew: badly i asure you
0022:08:00 | sirAndrew: i wash my hands of all this stuff...
0022:08:02 | sirAndrew: sorry i tried
0022:08:08 | sirAndrew: but i step down.....
0022:08:11 | sirAndrew: have a nice day

[Extraterrestrial]

their site their rules

+1
and blaming them for protecting the privacy of their site and members can't be debated, some trackers prefer to be under the radar.

[grebetu]

+1
and blaming them for protecting the privacy of their site and members can't be debated, some trackers prefer to be under the radar.

Under radar is one thing, being drama queens drooling all over internet is completely opposite. Exigo is as secret for torrent world as mininova is, and you can find their url by typing it into google.

[Extraterrestrial]

Under radar is one thing, being drama queens drooling all over internet is completely opposite. Exigo is as secret for torrent world as mininova is, and you can find their url by typing it into google.

You're probably right about typing their name in google but the more BT users know the site name and hence URL, you'll find loads of traders and hackers willing to pay $$$ to get into..to this day FSC and Exigo are the most secret trackers and they maintained their privacy very well, asking admins of BT forums to kindly encrypt their name and not posting their URL (FST for example) and in some cases they do this :

As it is now this thread only accomplishes to make it extremely difficult for romanian users to join E

I can't see that he threatened to ban the whole country, i think he referred to the fact that they can't make sure that users want to join the tracker from .ro didn't buy their invites.
.....and you can't blame them for that.