Al Jazeera English: Lithuania hosted secret CIA jails

[SealLion]

check it out. Lithunania is, I believe, considered a military ally of the US and apparantly did host some of those jails that the US is known for in sending it's detainee's, or prisioners as I think that, that is what they really are.
(call them anything you like, thier still prisioners. Detainees is just a term used to circumvent the UN convention on prisioners. I am sure that you know this anyways)

The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) ran at least two secret detention facilties in the Baltic nation of Lithuania, a parliamentary inquiry has found.

and this here too:

But the head of the inquiry said he was not able to confirm whether al-Qaeda suspects had ever been interrogated at either location.

according to the article, it seems that very few people knew. That may be true, I think but at a certain point, someone in the 'for your eye's only' department would definitly know.

The investigation also found that five aircraft linked to the CIA landed in Lithuania between 2003 and 2006, and that local intelligence officials prevented customs and border guards from inspecting them.

No doubt, eh??

Was the government in Lithunania in the dark??

Probably.

Anusauskas said that senior officials were not informed about the secret jails and there had been no government approval given for the sites.

"The biggest concern comes from the fact that a few agents, without consulting the head of state, took a decision that breached the law," he said, adding that "the VSD became a state within a state".

kind of like a government within a government.

So now the news is out that Lithuania is or has something akin to an authority making decisions without knowledge or consent of government.


for the full read, it's a moderate read, the link is here:

Al Jazeera English - Europe - Lithuania hosted secret CIA jails

enjoy. :)

[slikrapid]

did host some of those jails that the US is known for in sending it's detainee's, or prisioners

afaik detention (time) is supposed to be about 24-72 hours depending on the law of the particular country after which, if there is not enough evidence for an indictment, the detainee has to be released, otherwise it would be an illegal action (afaik after passing the patriot act in the usa this time can be prolonged indefinitely - also, there are some concerns that legally the same is possible in european union now and that one can be detained by any officer of the law even for ordinary misdemeanors)

its not a surprise that the usa has such foreign facilities for holding prisoners since the usa prisons are already overcrowded with prisoners and special facilities as the guantanamo are supposed to get closed 'soon' - all it takes is to establish the facility within some usa/nato base (with restricted access) which are spread throughout the world

at least two secret detention facilties in the Baltic nation of Lithuania,

so assuming that every allied country might have at least one such facility may not be too stretched either

In a 2007 investigation, conducted on behalf of the Council of Europe, Dick Marty, a Swiss politician accused 14 European governments of permitting the CIA to run detention centres

if i remember it correctly we had a news that some of these facilities in the middle east are renamed to sound more innocent, like rehabilitation centers

kind of like a government within a government.

So now the news is out that Lithuania is or has something akin to an authority making decisions without knowledge or consent of government.

we had some news earlier that another country (bulgaria, was it?) had a similar constellation of power within its system

afterall, should it be a surprise, when secret societies are thoroughly intertwined within each other and within a multitude of countries in the world, with members that obtain high ranks & positions in various segments of society & government

[SealLion]

I don't think that the authorities in any particular country, aligned with the US with respect to these detention centers or prisons holding people suspected of so 'terrorism', care much for the 24 to 72 hours detention legality thing, slik.

you know yourself that it's always in the best interests of the authority to do as per their will.

I mean, disregarding that this world terrorism is probably a lot more than what other's want us to believe, holding someone for a limited time period such as the one you used an example of, isn 't going to affect the legality of holding times of any captor over their captives in releasing them.
So long as things are held in secret or away from the eyes of those who should know ( and even then, those who should know is a broad term). the captors don't care much. It's like their holding their captives in their own secret dungeon, yes??

And as for those rehabilitation centers, your absolutely correct with them being renamed.

Renamed so as to take away the idea (from neighboring communities, for example) that they are prisons, rather more akin to the rehabilitation facilites. ...ya right.

Jails is another term used.

and yes. It was Bulgaria that had, and still has, a parallel government alongside the current 'visible' government.

Bulgaria and Lithuania are more than likely, not the only nations on the globe that have some kind of parallel authorities or governments that do things without the knowledge of the government that is visible to their people and countries beyond the borders of that same country.

It's a possiblility that the US has something very, very similiar in operation. I"m only guessing here but considering the current turn of world events, it wouldn't be a surprise to come across some knowledge that there is an organization of some sort that has immunity from prosecution or governence. And the US would also not be the only one. Many more would probably exist elsewhere in other regions.

And it's not just world governments that have something like this going on, but the world in general already has people that have a very strong influential control and influence that, probably, not even the ordinary every-day, local government isn't even aware of.

Your quote:

afterall, should it be a surprise, when secret societies are thoroughly intertwined within each other and within a multitude of countries in the world, with members that obtain high ranks & positions in various segments of society & government

that is so bang-on-the-money.
Pretty much what I just said, just more accurately.

[slikrapid]

I don't think that the authorities in any particular country, aligned with the US with respect to these detention centers or prisons holding people suspected of so 'terrorism', care much for the 24 to 72 hours detention legality thing, slik.

you know, i'm inclined to believe they actually do act within the legal scope of the currently valid/written laws & regulations as it seems its really important to be 'on the legal side' when acting officially in some capacity

this may sound contradictory when compared to everyday events or hidden agendas, but upon closer inspection it does look like as if there is a need to firstly create the law (thus being within the legally allowed area) and only after that to proceed with certain actions that serve the original agenda

it may just as well be our lack of knowledge about the law/regulations & co. that gives us the wrong idea about some (official) action being illegal, whereas they most likely actually have the (legal) right to execute that action - it may look/feel immoral or wrong to do it, but still compliant with the laws (and the general public is probably unaware of that fact)

isn't it unusual that during our education none of the subjects was about our legislation, laws, regulations, or how to deal with them - and one would surely agree that this is an important part of the society that affects us on daily basis - it is quite possible we intentionally aren't supposed to be educated in this area as many governmental rights/duties/attempts would be much clearer when understanding how the system really works

a few examples:

afaik, after the usa civil war (for which there was a declaration of war) has ended there was no declaration of peace, which means the country is still in a state of emergency which gives the president special powers which can be used (and have been used) to reduce citizen rights at will - sounds wrong, but in such official conditions its perfectly legal

it may look strange that usa presidents bow down to english royalty or that usa generals receive english royal medals, but if the usa is a british colony then it makes sense and is perfectly legal

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