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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    RED was able to benefit since day one from everything What had to learn along the way
    For instance, "never give individual members of your staff exclusive access to several thousand dollars of site donations".

    https://filesharingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=430112
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    Quote Originally Posted by faltu View Post
    You got a lot of balls to cheat on RED given that you'll be globally banned if you get banned on RED.
    Not the first time. I remember the first got global banned for suspected being trader (which I was not). So f*ck it

    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    That's because cheating isn't really an issue they have to worry about. Consider the historical context. What.cd was created and thrived during an era when connection speeds were much slower than they are now, and seedboxes weren't as fast or cheap either. Furthermore, during their first two years there was no "required ratio" system, and failure to get out of ratio watch in time didn't revoke your download privileges, it got you banned! Add the fact streaming services initially didn't exist, and later on would take a while to become the powerhouses they are today, and it makes sense that 1. a lot of members would attempt to cheat, 2. staff would take advanced measures against it.
    OK that makes sense !!

    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    RED was able to benefit since day one from everything What had to learn along the way, but its challenges are different. A large amount of people choose not to join at all, since Spotify and iTunes provide a good enough experience for a small fee and zero bullshit. Most of those who do are only interested on seedbox-raping their way to the invite forum. But let's say you can't or don't want to pay for streaming, and have no interest on invites. In that case, you can download up to 20 GB without having to upload anything, as long as you permaseed it all. On top of that, freeleech tokens are handed out regularly and can also be earned by unlocking achievements on the site. There is no bonus points system, or any means of getting upload credit other than actually uploading data, and there will never be - but as long as you can download, who cares?

    Basically, as I see it, this means their problems are the complete opposite: not nearly enough good members joining, and too much real upload!
    Plus the members went to Orpheus ditching RED and contributing there gives the sense the effort of contributing is divided but that was the case with Waffles & What.cd as well.

    I totally agree though. It's kinda different objective all together in this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illusive View Post
    Plus the members went to Orpheus ditching RED and contributing there gives the sense the effort of contributing is divided but that was the case with Waffles & What.cd as well.
    True. Given their initial invite policies, I thought Xanax would become the next What.cd with PTH being Waffles, but it played out the opposite way. Fine by me, as long as we have at least one of each.

    Now we need a Waffles for movies and a Waffles for TV, but that's a different matter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by illusive View Post
    Not the first time. I remember the first got global banned for suspected being trader (which I was not). So f*ck it
    It's much harder now to get back in with invites being rare. Who is gonna invite you to PTP and BTN if you get banned? Ever thought of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    True. Given their initial invite policies, I thought Xanax would become the next What.cd with PTH being Waffles, but it played out the opposite way. Fine by me, as long as we have at least one of each.

    Now we need a Waffles for movies and a Waffles for TV, but that's a different matter...

    But PTP and BTN are even better than them, though they're hard to join. But if you do get in you're set for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faltu View Post
    Who is gonna invite you to PTP and BTN if you get banned? Ever thought of that?
    Perhaps he's not as traumatized as you by the prospect of losing those accounts, or doesn't even have them
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    Perhaps he's not as traumatized as you by the prospect of losing those accounts, or doesn't even have them
    For his sake I hope it's the latter. I knew that Hdbits, exigo,fsc and aom are hard/impossible. I wish I had known that ptp and btn are hard too.

    Atleast RED is not "that" hard to rejoin I guess.
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    Addendum to post #15: freeleech did exist in per-torrent and global varieties during the early days of What.cd, but tokens did not. They were added after staff got tired of global freeleeches invariably DDoSing the tracker due to the extreme surge of activity. Neutral leech became a thing around the same time.

    Initial upload credit wasn't in until late 2008; my first account started with zero traffic. At least ATRAC and ALAC were allowed formats for a while... but was autosnatching a thing back then?

    Combine all this with the low upload speeds of the time, and of course many would try to cheat. If RED has a "hard economy", this and the TL and FileList/MP3/Porn of yore were tough as diamond (TL was the tracker that made me discover ratio cheating).
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    Quote Originally Posted by faltu View Post
    It's much harder now to get back in with invites being rare. Who is gonna invite you to PTP and BTN if you get banned? Ever thought of that?
    No. I stopped thinking/dreaming about torrent trackers long time ago. I was fool then and I'd be fool now. Every time I enter such a shitty elite tracker I never download really from it except was for sharing and uploading actually. This including the ones with good archive like PTP/BTN/HDBits/Exigo. Not even once got something to WATCH it. It's fucking shit show. So I'll be fine !.

    That and very much this

    Perhaps he's not as traumatized as you by the prospect of losing those accounts
    Quote Originally Posted by faltu View Post
    But PTP and BTN are even better than them, though they're hard to join. But if you do get in you're set for life.
    I'm set with IPT & RuTracker

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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    True. Given their initial invite policies, I thought Xanax would become the next What.cd with PTH being Waffles, but it played out the opposite way. Fine by me, as long as we have at least one of each.

    Now we need a Waffles for movies and a Waffles for TV, but that's a different matter...
    Got me that way exactly. True that about movies & tv too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illusive View Post
    No. I stopped thinking/dreaming about torrent trackers long time ago. I was fool then and I'd be fool now. Every time I enter such a shitty elite tracker I never download really from it except was for sharing and uploading actually. This including the ones with good archive like PTP/BTN/HDBits/Exigo. Not even once got something to WATCH it. It's fucking shit show. So I'll be fine !.


    We have all been there to some degree. Less is more.
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    Alright I found a way to get easy legit upload on RED so I'm not gonna cheat anymore. For anyone curious, just browse bandcamp for free releases that aren't on RED. There's a litteral fuckton out there. It's not as effortless as faking ratio but it goes way faster than my method, and for 0 risk.
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    Soon RED will only have Bandcamp rips and seedboxes autosnatching them from each other.
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    Hahaha

    Unfortunately only 4 GB counted out of my 12 GB upload, and this is a day after, so I'm thinking the 8 GB are probably never gonna come back. I can't even report this (not that anything would get done anyway) since I wouldn't want them to look at my stats too closely... ^^''
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    Quote Originally Posted by illusive View Post
    No. I stopped thinking/dreaming about torrent trackers long time ago. I was fool then and I'd be fool now. Every time I enter such a shitty elite tracker I never download really from it except was for sharing and uploading actually. This including the ones with good archive like PTP/BTN/HDBits/Exigo. Not even once got something to WATCH it. It's fucking shit show. So I'll be fine !.

    That and very much this





    I'm set with IPT & RuTracker

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    Got me that way exactly. True that about movies & tv too.
    I mostly agree but strongly disagree with you about PTP and BTN as they're both ratiofree and content wise they're easily better than ipt and rutracker combined, specially PTP. PTP has a BP system so it's easy to survive and users in their forum generously hand out BPs. It's got the content of RED/What and a BP system more generous than OPS. Agree with you that HDbits and Exigo is mostly crap but not PTP and BTN.

    The best part about PTP is that you can find the rarest of rare movies in multiple HD formats including 480P and 576P. It's as if the director of the movie ripped his own movie in multiple formats and uploaded them all there. Their catalog is mindblowing. BTN is too but yes if all you download are mainstream shows like Ted Lasso then you don't need them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sm0gg View Post
    Unfortunately only 4 GB counted out of my 12 GB upload, and this is a day after, so I'm thinking the 8 GB are probably never gonna come back.
    One piece of advice: never stop torrents or close your client while the tracker is down, or else your traffic for that session will be lost forever. Be patient and it'll get through eventually.

    In any case, you would do well in uploading many more torrents than are required for your target class (at least thrice as much), as an inactivity insurance of sorts in case you can't keep seeding them at some point... because most autosnatchers won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faltu View Post
    I mostly agree but strongly disagree with you about PTP and BTN as they're both ratiofree and content wise they're easily better than ipt and rutracker combined, specially PTP. PTP has a BP system so it's easy to survive and users in their forum generously hand out BPs. It's got the content of RED/What and a BP system more generous than OPS. Agree with you that HDbits and Exigo is mostly crap but not PTP and BTN.
    Me being on both and not downloading for them at all says I disagree with you as well :).

    Quote Originally Posted by faltu View Post
    The best part about PTP is that you can find the rarest of rare movies in multiple HD formats including 480P and 576P. It's as if the director of the movie ripped his own movie in multiple formats and uploaded them all there. Their catalog is mindblowing. BTN is too but yes if all you download are mainstream shows like Ted Lasso then you don't need them.
    Yep, never needed.
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