Waffles method v2

[Mihai]

First, if you completed the download then don't fake download again.So you set download speed to 0.
WM v1( didn't even know you guys started calling it this way) is only for fake uploading and this one is for fake downloading.

[anon]

Have a noob question here. If I have download completed (real download and which means I won't use WM v2 for fake download) and wants to upload, do I need to set the download speed as stated in WM v1?

Feel free to do it, if you want. The RM won't fake download if your finished percentage is 100, anyway, so that's useless.

And WM v1 is for fake upload so why to set a download speed?

If you'd rather fake upload while showing you have 0% of the torrent...

By the way, which emulation to use? Is Vuze 4.5.0.1 OK?

I'd emulate the client I use for real downloading. Specially on Waffles.

[Dr.house]

First, if you completed the download then don't fake download again.So you set download speed to 0.
WM v1( didn't even know you guys started calling it this way) is only for fake uploading and this one is for fake downloading.

At any moment I will be using my real speed if I was using Fake download (and i guesses it's between 6xx-7xx kb/s , my real it's 2xx kb/s ) until the 3 minutes I've stop it ???

[anon]

At any moment I will be using my real speed if I was using Fake download (and i guesses it's between 6xx-7xx kb/s , my real it's 2xx kb/s )

"I guess"? You set the fake download speed. Use your real rates if you're concerned about going too high.

[Dr.house]

"I guess"? You set the fake download speed. Use your real rates if you're concerned about going too high.

means that i just use my real download but as fake at all that time ? !

[anon]

means that i just use my real download but as fake at all that time ? !

I don't really know what you're trying to say, can you elaborate?

[Dr.house]

I don't really know what you're trying to say, can you elaborate?

i mean when i using rm as example i cheat at speed it's like my real speed , example : my real speed = 1xx k/s , it should be use this speed on fake speed means
my reall speed = fake download speed ?

[anon]

Not necessarily. You can go higher, although it's a good idea not to do so on trackers where it hasn't been tested.

I suggest you try reading our FAQ threads a little.

[Dr.house]

from this thread i've learned very important things , cheating it's not just about upload to build up you ratio because that will make your snatch so Suspects , also who have ratio like 0.9xx he is so safty than who have on higher... many thanks to Mihai :)

[anon]

also who have ratio like 0.9xx he is so safty than who have on higher...

A sub-par ratio may indeed draw less attention to you, but having a good one (as it should be) doesn't mean you'll be looked upon. The tracker's staff have to suspect cheating or find evidence of it, which won't happen if you do things well - and that includes using the right tools and speeds, avoiding very large amounts of upload or ratios, and so on.

[handakes]

hmm ok here's a Question for u, if i want to fake upload/download...can i use a reasonable speed and instead of setting there waiting for the counter to hit 2-3 minutes b4 update is upon us, can i use the "stop after a certain time" in the RM settings, set to 26 minutes or something? "knowing that tracker updates is every 30 mins"

[anon]

Yes to both...

[invitee]

When applying the waffles method .. after hitting the stop button 2 minutes before the update, then restart the torrent, I see both downloaded and uploaded are reset back to zero.. Does it mean that all the faking that has happened the past 28 minutes won't be reported to the tracker ? and if so, whats the point then ?? I guess I am missing something !

And if the cycle is repeated, all whats gonna happen in the next 28 minutes isn't gonna be reported either.. right ? because it was reset to zero, and I stopped it before reporting any amount to the tracker..
From what I recall, I read somewhere in this forum that RM only uses internet when it is automatically or I am manually updating the tracker, which means in utilizing the WM I intentionally avoid this action " update " which is concerned with reporting all the faking thats happened to the tracker..
I guess I am still missing something.. I need to find out about it ..

[anon]

When applying the waffles method .. after hitting the stop button 2 minutes before the update, then restart the torrent, I see both downloaded and uploaded are reset back to zero.. Does it mean that all the faking that has happened the past 28 minutes won't be reported to the tracker ? and if so, whats the point then ?? I guess I am missing something !

You are missing something - if trackers forgot about the traffic when you stop the torrent (which they don't), ratio-based sites would be unable to exist.

The idea is exactly that - if you see zero traffic, so does everyone else, and you can hardly be called a cheater.

[invitee]

You are missing something - if trackers forgot about the traffic when you stop the torrent (which they don't), ratio-based sites would be unable to exist.

The idea is exactly that - if you see zero traffic, so does everyone else, and you can hardly be called a cheater.

Oh.. correct me if I got it wrong,
At some point or the other during the 28 minutes while there is excessive fake traffic, this traffic still gets reported to the tracker whether I hit stop or not ..

And when I restart the torrent to continue faking for a new cycle, RM accumulates new traffic and adds it to the traffic generated by the previous cycle.. somehow this gets reported to the tracker without " update " ..