Coup d'etat in Egypt - military says it has ousted Morsi; crowds celebrate in Cairo

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The Egyptian military said Wednesday that it had ousted President Mohammed Morsi and suspended the country’s constitution. Armored cars, tanks and troops deployed in the capital in what advisers to the president described as a coup.

In a scene reminiscent of the earliest days of the Arab Spring, tens of thousands of Egyptians who had demanded the president’s ouster staged a jubilant celebration in Tahrir Square — dancing, cheering and setting off fireworks.

Earlier in the day, the president and the military each swore to fight to the death for control of the country, and a military deadline for Morsi to step aside came and went with no statement from the president.

“We swear to God to sacrifice with our blood for Egypt and its people against any terrorist, extremist or ignoramus,” the military said in a statement. “Long live Egypt and its proud people.”

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Egyptian military says it has ousted Morsi; crowds celebrate in Cairo - World News

So why did the people want this president to step down? I'm not current on latest world events!

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Originally Posted by yoco

So why did the people want this president to step down? I'm not current on latest world events!

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because he repeatedly abused his position, only cared about his party fellows and failed at economy.

congratulations for every Egyptian here is SB-I (including me xD )

finally xD, we have to concentrate on the future now and forget about this damn brotherhood .

its really funny when i see People happy about Coup d'etat in Egypt by military, he is the president elected by democracy way (1 year ago) and allow military to do as they like is a dangers path.

anyway look at the history of president of Egypt:

King Fuad II- overthrown
Muhammad Naguib- forced to resign
Gamal Abdel Nasser- Poisoned
Anwar Sadat- Assassinated
Hosni Mubarak- overthrown
Mohamed Morsi- overthrown

Good luck for the next president :D

He was Overtrhown by democracy, but refused to accept it. The military did the only right thing.

so you telling me that there was a vote done by people and the result of that vote was executed by military?
never heard of such a thing.

There are supporter of Mohamed Morsi and there are ones who are against him, and letting military decide what good for the people is not democracy in any shape or form.

The Egyptian people have failed, they only proved that they are easy to manipulate, don't understand ANYTHING about democracy.

This is a straight military coup, the international communities should ban Egypt from future activites, block their memeberships, and block their citizens from visiting Egypt.

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Originally Posted by Instab

failed at economy

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Because Morsi got Egypt at full economical power right? Because he can fix EVERYTHING in 1 year?
Because in a strategy game, I can fix a building while being attacked by my own workers? Either silence the attack or fix, can't do both, do you play strategy games, Instab? sometimes they are useful.

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Originally Posted by Tattah

congratulations for every Egyptian here is SB-I (including me xD )

finally xD, we have to concentrate on the future now and forget about this damn brotherhood .

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There is no future anymore for this country, enjoy your coup while it lasts, soon enough you'll fall a hard one and get decieved yet another time.

RIP Egypt forever, It's sad I never had the chance to visit you while you had some sort of life in you.

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There is no future anymore for this country, enjoy your coup while it lasts, soon enough you'll fall a hard one and get decieved yet another time.

RIP Egypt forever, It's sad I never had the chance to visit you while you had some sort of life in you.

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I don't understand how some people defend for Morsi after one year of failure !! he didn't do ANYTHING at all !! and we have to respect who doesn't respect us at all also ?!!

He didn't add anything new to Egypt economy for example, contrary Egyptian economy become so weak after one year of failure that's because people elect him just because of the "Islamic project" (total fabrication and lies)
he doesn't has ANY experience to be qualified to this position at all .

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Originally Posted by Tattah

I don't understand how some people defend for Morsi after one year of failure !! he didn't do ANYTHING at all !! and we have to respect who doesn't respect us at all also ?!!

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I don't defend Morsi, I defend democracy, he was elected to be the president, you can (and should) protest when he has completed his presidential years and refused to leave.

You simply refuse to acknowledge the 51% Egyptians, this is pure anti-democracy.

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He didn't add anything new to Egypt economy for example, contrary Egyptian economy become so weak after one year of failure that's because people elect him just because of the "Islamic project" (total fabrication and lies)
he doesn't has ANY experience to be qualified to this position at all .

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How can add something, if you, the people are always at unrest, always rioting?

The lost 49% showed their true colors and opposition clearly now, they didn't coopearte with him, and now a remnant of Mubark is a temporary President, congratulations!.

Here some youtube video for rally taking place right now in Egypt supporting Morsi
so what the military will do sine as they claim that they with the People ?

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Originally Posted by cheatos

Because Morsi got Egypt at full economical power right? Because he can fix EVERYTHING in 1 year?

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because the economy got much worse while he was in charge.

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Originally Posted by Megaplex

letting military decide what good for the people is not democracy in any shape or form.

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morsi was the one who didn't care about democracy. just read up on his actions of the last year.

What you response to protests that happening right now ?

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Originally Posted by Megaplex

What you response to protests that happening right now ?

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to be expected but they don't change that morsi's actions were not democratic.

i would of course be happy for all people there if they got a government that honors democracy and cares about all groups of citizens

Accordign to my informations the Opposition had enough Supporters to initiate legitimate Re-Elections, am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by Instab

because he repeatedly abused his position, only cared about his party fellows and failed at economy.

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+1

on the other hand, just about every president/prime minister qualifies regarding the above quote, yet we don't see many protests of this size, seems citizens of other countries just got used to it (desensitized)

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Originally Posted by Megaplex

so you telling me that there was a vote done by people and the result of that vote was executed by military?
never heard of such a thing.

There are supporter of Mohamed Morsi and there are ones who are against him, and letting military decide what good for the people is not democracy in any shape or form.

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+1

military intervention should be reserved for emergencies only - 1 year of lame politics is definitely not a valid reason, the proper way would be to arrange signing of a petition asking for a 'recall election' (referendum) or wait till the end of his term

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Originally Posted by cheatos

The Egyptian people have failed, they only proved that they are easy to manipulate, don't understand ANYTHING about democracy.

I never saw the day I'd accept a Zionist's comment on CNN where he said: "Democracy just doesn't work for Arab countries",
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This is a straight military coup, the international communities should ban Egypt from future activites, block their memeberships, and block their citizens from visiting Egypt, and label the militray as traitors.

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- easy to manipulate? this applies globally to any nation
- depending on the implementation & those that use it, democracy can range from pretty good to pretty awful, generally & globally it tends to be (much) closer to the latter
- that zionist's comment translated means: 'they haven't been sufficiently tamed yet', notice that he is ridiculing democracy & arabs all in one sentence
- the international communities have their own interests in this, however these are far from being benign or well-meant regarding the average egyptian citizens
- other than that, methinks the above quote might have been just a rant, in the heat of the discussion ;)

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Originally Posted by Tattah

I don't understand how some people defend for Morsi after one year of failure !! he didn't do ANYTHING at all !! and we have to respect who doesn't respect us at all also ?!!

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maybe he was going to do grand things after becoming a pharaoh? ;)

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Originally Posted by Instab

because the economy got much worse while he was in charge.

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regarding the economy, seems it was an inherited problem (at least a few years back) and the IMF was involved in making things harder for him (extortion, foreign influence, getting set-up to fail), plus there was much local criminal activity in the transitional period, not to mention it is rather suspicious when prices suddenly go crazy (smells of foreign or domestic foul play, intentional negligence) - however, its not really an excuse, ie. he had to try harder

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Originally Posted by Instab

i would of course be happy for all people there if they got a government that honors democracy and cares about all groups of citizens

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so in other words, a utopia?
every government honors democracy as much as it suits their goals, as long as it can be sufficiently exploited without greater public unrest (ie. their tendency would be to choose the worst democracy implementation possible in this sense) - governments don't care about their citizens, they care about the power of governance, their own position, benefits of that position, voter percentages, political campaigns, demagogy, popularity, PR image,..., the continuous increase and sophistication of the aforementioned - to them, the citizens are mostly a nuisance (voting hassle), mere numbers, tools or sheeple in desperate need of a shepherd - also, governments are a mirror of the societies from which they came from, their own unhealthy attitudes, practices and goals reflecting the overall unhealthiness of those societies

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Originally Posted by supermarrioh

Accordign to my informations the Opposition had enough Supporters to initiate legitimate Re-Elections, am I wrong?

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source?
afaik there was no petition, no signing, just massive protests (probably not a spontaneous occurrence) and the military decided to grab the opportunity seizing the leading position by force, ie. execute a coup, pretending to work on behalf of (the will of) the people - only now, after the fact, they are trying to paint this move as something democratic or necessary or justified

Thank you guys for your replies.

It seems we are all locked into some thinking and don't want to change:
('Military coup theorists' VS 'Deserved out throw even though it's anti-what-I-first-countries-brag-about-that-is-democracy theorists')

'beauty' of politics kicks here I guess.

I'm out of words and probably 'outnumbered', I will however wait for the "told ya" moment.

Just one word .. There is failure that economy can bear and there is the failure that can totally destroy the country !!

what do you think was the kind of failure that Morsi did ?!!

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Originally Posted by cheatos

It seems we are all locked into some thinking and don't want to change

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sure, though good arguments (and a healthy dosage of openmindedness) may change that

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Originally Posted by cheatos

I will however wait for the "told ya" moment.

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not sure to what exact statement does this refer to

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Originally Posted by Tattah

economy ... what do you think was the kind of failure that Morsi did ?!!

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he wasn't able to stop, let alone reverse, the failing (of) economy, a process which was heavily under way during the last days...years of the mubarak regime - the protests then and now also contributed to the failing process, the coup as well (simply because they increased instability in the region) - the question is, does the opposition even have some serious economic plans or are they just trying to grab some power while they still have a chance

another unusual topic is the disproportionately large influence/share of the military, both regarding political power and even economic power (seems they are able to run business(es) just like some company would, whats more, they basically have a monopoly in many industrial fields, even in tourism, plus they get yearly grants from the usa, we're talking billions of $ here), so they definitely have some heavy conflicts of interests here and you can bet they won't give-up that power so easily

other than that, this could be a case of: 'let them sink as deep as possible', after which foreign 'saviors' arrive bearing 'gifts', since when you're close to the bottom, every straw looks very promising/attractive