Is my cheating plan good enough for RED?

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05.06.21, 15:55
Sm0gg

Is my cheating plan good enough for RED?

Hey everyone,

I'm struggling to survive on RED and would also like to get invites for my friends. There's no way I can get there legit, my ~20GB ~100 torrents have been actively seeding for months and I barely get a few megabytes per week on a fiber connection (ridiculous). I've never cheated before, so I've read tips and tried to prepare a plan of attack but I'm not sure it's gonna work.

Here's what I plan on doing:

- Use RatioMaster Plus with qbittorrent v4.3.5 (which is my client) - I have the .rmc file for it

- Add all of my RED torrents to it (about 100 of them including partial seeds)

- Set every torrent to 0-1 KBps upload speed (with a random radius of 1 meaning some torrents won't upload at all)

- Set every torrent to 0 download speed

- Set "seeding" finished% (even for partial seeds since there does not seem to be anything else than a global option for this)

- Set torrents to automatically stop above 2 ratio

- Keep it running in the background with my actual qbittorrent client

This should average to about 50 KBps total (.5 KBps per torrent) which is 3 MB a minute which is 180 MB an hour. I would be doing this several hours a day, when my PC is on, for an avg of ~8.5 hrs a day which would be 1.53GB a day on average. I would only do this for enough time that I can get around 25GB uploaded (which would be ~1.66 ratio) so I can get the user class for invites and some buffer for snatching more torrents. With these speeds I could get there in about 2 weeks.

Here's what I think are weaknesses in my plan but I'm not sure if they will prove fatal or if they'll go unnoticed:

- There are a bunch of partial seeds, sometimes only a few MB, so if I set a ratio of 2 as my limit my actual ratio will be like 100 on these because RatioMaster Plus can only use total torrent size. I can fix this by going over each torrent manually and setting the correct limit which will be tedious.

- It's not super realistic that at the end all of my torrents will have a ratio of 1.5-2 each with a lot sitting at an almost perfect 2 (realistically, some will never ever reach 1 ratio even with a seedbox because they're just not popular enough) - I could go through them and manually randomize ratio limits

- I'll be seeding lots and lots of torrents without any leechers, albeit very slowly - this seems to be a big no-no, but the problem is that on Redacted, there are no leechers almost ever, apart from partial seeders, and they all complete in about a minute or two anyway, so if this is a no-no, then I can't do this at all?

- Although the speeds are slow individually, multiplied by time and amount of torrents, I'll be uploading a lot and my upload which has barely moved in 5 months will all of a sudden be quintupled in 2 weeks. The only way to fix this, as far as I can see, is slowing things down even more and stretching my goal over 2+ months instead of 2 weeks.

- Almost all my torrents will be uploading constantly very slowly whereas usually you'd get a big spike of upload when a leecher connects, for maybe 1 or 2 minutes, and then nothing for the rest of the day

Here are my questions:

- Instead of using RatioMaster like this (seeding the 100 torrents I have), should I look for recent/popular torrents on RED, add them to RatioMaster, and spoof both download and upload to make it look like I'm snatching torrents and uploading without ever adding them to my qbittorrent? (I don't want to store torrents on my machine just for the sake of building ratio so I don't want to legit download them)

- Is what I'm doing risky? How risky?

- Am I trying to go too fast? Should I slow it down?

- Anything to improve on?

- Can I do things more efficiently? Remove some of the tedium involved in setting things up correctly for each torrent? (like randomize ratio limit and set the correct value for partial seeds)

- Could this method work for other trackers such as OPS?

Thanks for reading this long post and thanks for your help
06.06.21, 01:35
anon

Funny, I was discussing this exact strategy with another member here recently. As in yesterday. Anyway, this is an extreme variant of the slow and steady method (see https://www.sb-innovation.de/showthread.php?t=15507 and https://www.sb-innovation.de/showthread.php?p=360433) and it works due to two simple factors: 1. the speeds involved are extremely low; 2. if spread over many torrents, which you will want to do to get anywhere within a reasonable timeframe, the amount of fake upload will be collectively large but individually small. I would still recommend favoring torrents that have at least some leechers (even if they're partial seeders) or activity.

Also, feedback to individual parts of your post.

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There's no way I can get there legit, my ~20GB ~100 torrents have been actively seeding for months and I barely get a few megabytes per week on a fiber connection (ridiculous). Not sure if this means 100 torrents of 20 GB each or 100 torrents totaling 20 GB, but the latter case is more likely and actually a low amount for RED.

Set "seeding" finished% (even for partial seeds since there does not seem to be anything else than a global option for this) Look closer in the advanced settings and you'll find the ability to select which files you want to emulate having, just like in a real client.

Set torrents to automatically stop above 2 ratio Only if you plan to start them in your real client immediately afterwards, otherwise set them to drop the fake upload speed to zero but continue seeding.

Keep it running in the background with my actual qbittorrent client Never run the same torrents in your client and a ratio cheating program at the same time!

It's not super realistic that at the end all of my torrents will have a ratio of 1.5-2 each with a lot sitting at an almost perfect 2 (realistically, some will never ever reach 1 ratio even with a seedbox because they're just not popular enough) - I could go through them and manually randomize ratio limits Do.

I'll be seeding lots and lots of torrents without any leechers, albeit very slowly - this seems to be a big no-no, but the problem is that on Redacted, there are no leechers almost ever, apart from partial seeders, and they all complete in about a minute or two anyway, so if this is a no-no, then I can't do this at all? See above ("I would still recommend favoring torrents that...").

Although the speeds are slow individually, multiplied by time and amount of torrents, I'll be uploading a lot and my upload which has barely moved in 5 months will all of a sudden be quintupled in 2 weeks. The only way to fix this, as far as I can see, is slowing things down even more and stretching my goal over 2+ months instead of 2 weeks. That's even better. There are no time limits here, after all.

Instead of using RatioMaster like this (seeding the 100 torrents I have), should I look for recent/popular torrents on RED, add them to RatioMaster, and spoof both download and upload to make it look like I'm snatching torrents and uploading without ever adding them to my qbittorrent? Don't.

Could this method work for other trackers such as OPS? OPS is very easy to cheat on. Someone even said they flashed 1 TB of upload several months ago. I don't recommend that particular tactic, but the consensus is that almost anything goes there. The corresponding thread will tell you more.
06.06.21, 17:25
Sm0gg

Thanks!

True, 20 GB isn't a lot. My torrenting mentality is that I only get what I actually want, and keep it seeded. I don't download something just for the sake of gaining upload - hard drive space is expensive!

I'm curious, why don't you recommend downloading popular torrents and faking both download and upload? Seems safer in that there'll be more leechers.

About never running the torrents twice, can I just pause them in my qbittorrent and leave it running for other torrents?

I will try OPS first and see if I get away with ~5 GB of faking at ~70 kbps speeds on 9 torrents (around 630 kbps total) for 2 hours so I can get the user class for invites.

I'm concerned about only running torrents that have leechers. Only a couple torrents have a good amount of leechers (more than 10), most of which are definitely partial seeders (or they'd turn into seeders in an hour at most). 80% of the rest have 1-2 (partial seeders too). The rest have none. If I assume 1-2 leechers isn't enough, I can only seed 3 torrents. If I don't, I can seed most of them. What do you think?
10.06.21, 18:23
Sm0gg

I cheated a few GBs on Orpheus and nothing happened so far.

I started doing it for RED. I'm uploading at an average of 62.5 bytes per second per torrent. It's ridiculously slow but it should be perfect. Each torrent will upload 3.75 KB per minute, or 225 KB per hour, or, assuming 8 hours of seedtime per day, 1.8 MB per day.

My 96 torrents will therefore upload 172.8 MB per day, or 1.2 GB per week. I'm generating around 5 GB per month in the slowest way possible. I'll get to my goal in 4-5 months, which is reaaaaaally slow. I wonder if I can speed up a bit, but for now I'll keep it like this.
12.06.21, 04:38
anon

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Originally Posted by Sm0gg

True, 20 GB isn't a lot. My torrenting mentality is that I only get what I actually want, and keep it seeded. I don't download something just for the sake of gaining upload - hard drive space is expensive!

Thanks to freeleech tokens and the required ratio system, this mindset will allow you to download a lot, but also result in very little upload. All music trackers have a hard economy and leecher crisis by design; casual usage will definitely not build you a buffer.

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I'm curious, why don't you recommend downloading popular torrents and faking both download and upload? Seems safer in that there'll be more leechers.

Fake downloading is easier to spot since it requires higher speeds (most residential connections are asymmetrical) and must be completed, unlike fake upload where much lower speeds are expected and you can "abandon" a torrent that's no longer good enough for cheating by setting the speed to zero. Also, leechers dry up quickly on RED, but you know that already :gsmile:

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About never running the torrents twice, can I just pause them in my qbittorrent and leave it running for other torrents?

Yes.

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I will try OPS first and see if I get away with ~5 GB of faking at ~70 kbps speeds on 9 torrents (around 630 kbps total) for 2 hours so I can get the user class for invites.

You'll very likely get away with it, but they seem to have few or no anti-cheating scripts (see my previous comment about flash upload), so don't let those results set your expectations for RED.

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I'm concerned about only running torrents that have leechers. Only a couple torrents have a good amount of leechers (more than 10), most of which are definitely partial seeders (or they'd turn into seeders in an hour at most). 80% of the rest have 1-2 (partial seeders too). The rest have none. If I assume 1-2 leechers isn't enough, I can only seed 3 torrents. If I don't, I can seed most of them. What do you think?

As I said before, the thing that makes this method work is the fact that the speeds involved are so low. Picking a torrent with a non-zero amount of leechers (partial or not) provides basic cover against scripts or staff checking for upload traffic on torrents that shouldn't have any, but is technically not a key part of the plan.

Also, don't forget Gazelle trackers show you and your amount of upload in torrent peerlists, so try not to become #1 there.

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Originally Posted by Sm0gg

I started doing it for RED. I'm uploading at an average of 62.5 bytes per second per torrent. It's ridiculously slow but it should be perfect. Each torrent will upload 3.75 KB per minute, or 225 KB per hour, or, assuming 8 hours of seedtime per day, 1.8 MB per day.

Note that qBittorrent rounds upload traffic to the next multiple of 16384 bytes (1 block). Given the insanely low speed used, you may want to account for that too.
12.06.21, 06:11
czullo

Isnt this unsafe to stop seeding all your torrents at 2.0 ratio? If someone inspect your profile and see everywhere 2.0 ratio that would be suspicious.
12.06.21, 09:59
Sm0gg

I can't see any way to check a user's ratios for individual torrents on RED, but yes, it is pretty unsafe.

It ain't the only unsafe thing. If a mod (whom I believe could probably see a lot of info) were to check my stats right now, they'd see that I uploaded close to the same amount of data on 96 torrents (2.19-2.30MB) in a few days. They'd also see that I was uploading on 96 torrents, end of sentence (that, by itself, is unbelievable). They'd also see that I was uploading non-stop for 8 hours every day, which is also unbelievable. Especially on torrents without leechers (only 9 do have leechers so I decided fuck it, I mean I'm only reporting 200 kilobytes of upload per 45 minutes per torrent).

I guess the entire point of this method I'm using is that no human ever checks my stats out because no script will ever detect me at such low speeds (also I'm a small player). It's all hanging on the hope (not knowledge, hope...) that their scripts aren't sophisticated enough to detect this kind of cheating. I don't think this assumption is unreasonable, but only time will tell.
12.06.21, 19:15
anon

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Originally Posted by Sm0gg

I can't see any way to check a user's ratios for individual torrents on RED

I don't see a log of which profiles I've visited, IPs I have logged in from or browsers I've used either, but it's there. And did you know Gazelle never deletes PMs from the database, only marks them as being neither in the inbox or outbox? Anyway...

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Originally Posted by czullo

Isnt this unsafe to stop seeding all your torrents at 2.0 ratio? If someone inspect your profile and see everywhere 2.0 ratio that would be suspicious.

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Originally Posted by Sm0gg

I guess the entire point of this method I'm using is that no human ever checks my stats out because no script will ever detect me at such low speeds (also I'm a small player). It's all hanging on the hope (not knowledge, hope...) that their scripts aren't sophisticated enough to detect this kind of cheating. I don't think this assumption is unreasonable, but only time will tell.

Yes, but also yes. Legitimate clients can be configured to stop torrents when a target ratio is reached. However, hitting 2:1 on all torrents, within the same timeframe, from a home connection, and on RED (where you could seed something for months and still have zero upload) is almost a statistical improbability... that's also unlikely to be discovered in the first place, in this context.

If you're still worried about that, shuffle your target ratios or only cheat in a small pool of torrents. Although at 62 B/s, if you set yourself any more restrictions, we'll be colonizing Mars by the time you reach Power User.
08.08.21, 16:06
anon

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Originally Posted by Sm0gg

I'll get to my goal in 4-5 months, which is reaaaaaally slow.

This was written two months ago, and I'm too lazy to wait another two... so how's the plan working out so far?
14.09.21, 17:36
Sm0gg

I'll get you a screenshot of my RMP when I'm home. I was away from home for 3 weeks. A few weeks before and after, I gave up on running RMP every time I booted my PC, especially since it takes around 10% of my cpu on avg and I need to save as much as possible for some games.

I started again a few days ago. So far, 5 GB total. Not a lot xD

I also tried using 30 fl tokens on non-transcoded flacs, transcoding all of them twice into mp3 320 and v0, and uploading all of that. Got tens of gigabytes worth of stuff. So far, no snatches. Makes sense, it's garbage, but it was worth trying. And I doubled the amount of torrents I can cheat on (100% complete too, no partial).

Still gonna take me some ~2 months before I hit 25 GB uploaded.

Next thing Ima try is upload some heavy apps. Apps are not updated that often on Redacted and some of them weigh a few GB. So I can probably find a bunch that I can upload and get easy 15 GB with that.

In any case, no ban yet. Cheated 5 GB over 289 hours. The method really worked. And it's pretty obvious too, if anyone checked my stats. But for 5 GB over months... I guess they don't care.

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So as you can see, I wasn't very careful there and still no ban!
14.09.21, 22:45
illusive

Ghost leeching & fresh uploaded popular torrent with some fake normal uploading speeds around 1MB/s working. I'm not sure about RED script being as strong as WCD was or not but so far it seems greatly NOT even close.
15.09.21, 08:09
Sm0gg

So you mean snatching fresh torrents, faking download and upload at the same time? Or do you fake upload after the torrent has "completed" ?

Also 1 MBps seems like a lot!
15.09.21, 08:47
illusive

It is a lot and great risk in small torrents tracker. I'm just testing with the risk. And yes I mean snatching fresh torrents for real and fake uploading on such torrents AFTER download is completed. However I struggled to catch a popular torrent with a lot of activity and was big (more than 1 GB) enough to do so.
15.09.21, 14:41
faltu

You got a lot of balls to cheat on RED given that you'll be globally banned if you get banned on RED.
15.09.21, 18:11
anon

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Originally Posted by Sm0gg

I started again a few days ago. So far, 5 GB total. Not a lot xD

Far more than you'd have achieved by seeding everything legitimately for the same period of time.

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I also tried using 30 fl tokens on non-transcoded flacs, transcoding all of them twice into mp3 320 and v0, and uploading all of that. Got tens of gigabytes worth of stuff. So far, no snatches. Makes sense, it's garbage, but it was worth trying.

Autosnatchers only grab FLAC from the current year, since that gets the most bang for their buck. I admire your effort to contribute with "real" uploads (as opposed to pump-and-dump spam torrents made purely to meet promotion thresholds), but when it comes to obtaining buffer, those are a long-term strategy. If you have any tokens left, better use them to simply download music you want instead.

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Next thing Ima try is upload some heavy apps. Apps are not updated that often on Redacted and some of them weigh a few GB. So I can probably find a bunch that I can upload and get easy 15 GB with that.

Apps are good to meet torrent count requirements for higher classes, but you should moderate your expectations of getting so much upload from them. Would you use your precious RED buffer to download warez you can get somewhere else?

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So as you can see, I wasn't very careful there and still no ban!

Not being very careful here either, posting a detailed list of the torrents you're cheating on for the entire world to see. I just removed it for your own security.

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Originally Posted by illusive

I'm not sure about RED script being as strong as WCD was or not but so far it seems greatly NOT even close.

That's because cheating isn't really an issue they have to worry about. Consider the historical context. What.cd was created and thrived during an era when connection speeds were much slower than they are now, and seedboxes weren't as fast or cheap either. Furthermore, during their first two years there was no "required ratio" system, and failure to get out of ratio watch in time didn't revoke your download privileges, it got you banned! Add the fact streaming services initially didn't exist, and later on would take a while to become the powerhouses they are today, and it makes sense that 1. a lot of members would attempt to cheat, 2. staff would take advanced measures against it.

RED was able to benefit since day one from everything What had to learn along the way, but its challenges are different. A large amount of people choose not to join at all, since Spotify and iTunes provide a good enough experience for a small fee and zero bullshit. Most of those who do are only interested on seedbox-raping their way to the invite forum. But let's say you can't or don't want to pay for streaming, and have no interest on invites. In that case, you can download up to 20 GB without having to upload anything, as long as you permaseed it all. On top of that, freeleech tokens are handed out regularly and can also be earned by unlocking achievements on the site. There is no bonus points system, or any means of getting upload credit other than actually uploading data, and there will never be - but as long as you can download, who cares?

Basically, as I see it, this means their problems are the complete opposite: not nearly enough good members joining, and too much real upload!
15.09.21, 18:13
anon

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Originally Posted by anon

RED was able to benefit since day one from everything What had to learn along the way

For instance, "never give individual members of your staff exclusive access to several thousand dollars of site donations".

https://filesharingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=430112
16.09.21, 10:19
illusive

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Originally Posted by faltu

You got a lot of balls to cheat on RED given that you'll be globally banned if you get banned on RED.

Not the first time. I remember the first got global banned for suspected being trader (which I was not). So f*ck it :naughty:

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Originally Posted by anon

That's because cheating isn't really an issue they have to worry about. Consider the historical context. What.cd was created and thrived during an era when connection speeds were much slower than they are now, and seedboxes weren't as fast or cheap either. Furthermore, during their first two years there was no "required ratio" system, and failure to get out of ratio watch in time didn't revoke your download privileges, it got you banned! Add the fact streaming services initially didn't exist, and later on would take a while to become the powerhouses they are today, and it makes sense that 1. a lot of members would attempt to cheat, 2. staff would take advanced measures against it.

OK that makes sense !!

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Originally Posted by anon

RED was able to benefit since day one from everything What had to learn along the way, but its challenges are different. A large amount of people choose not to join at all, since Spotify and iTunes provide a good enough experience for a small fee and zero bullshit. Most of those who do are only interested on seedbox-raping their way to the invite forum. But let's say you can't or don't want to pay for streaming, and have no interest on invites. In that case, you can download up to 20 GB without having to upload anything, as long as you permaseed it all. On top of that, freeleech tokens are handed out regularly and can also be earned by unlocking achievements on the site. There is no bonus points system, or any means of getting upload credit other than actually uploading data, and there will never be - but as long as you can download, who cares?

Basically, as I see it, this means their problems are the complete opposite: not nearly enough good members joining, and too much real upload!

Plus the members went to Orpheus ditching RED and contributing there gives the sense the effort of contributing is divided but that was the case with Waffles & What.cd as well.

I totally agree though. It's kinda different objective all together in this time.
16.09.21, 10:41
anon

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Originally Posted by illusive

Plus the members went to Orpheus ditching RED and contributing there gives the sense the effort of contributing is divided but that was the case with Waffles & What.cd as well.

True. Given their initial invite policies, I thought Xanax would become the next What.cd with PTH being Waffles, but it played out the opposite way. Fine by me, as long as we have at least one of each.

Now we need a Waffles for movies and a Waffles for TV, but that's a different matter...
16.09.21, 13:56
faltu

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Originally Posted by illusive

Not the first time. I remember the first got global banned for suspected being trader (which I was not). So f*ck it :naughty:

It's much harder now to get back in with invites being rare. Who is gonna invite you to PTP and BTN if you get banned? Ever thought of that?

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Originally Posted by anon

True. Given their initial invite policies, I thought Xanax would become the next What.cd with PTH being Waffles, but it played out the opposite way. Fine by me, as long as we have at least one of each.

Now we need a Waffles for movies and a Waffles for TV, but that's a different matter...

But PTP and BTN are even better than them, though they're hard to join. But if you do get in you're set for life.
16.09.21, 17:32
anon

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Originally Posted by faltu

Who is gonna invite you to PTP and BTN if you get banned? Ever thought of that?

Perhaps he's not as traumatized as you by the prospect of losing those accounts, or doesn't even have them :geek:
16.09.21, 18:54
faltu

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Originally Posted by anon

Perhaps he's not as traumatized as you by the prospect of losing those accounts, or doesn't even have them :geek:

For his sake I hope it's the latter. I knew that Hdbits, exigo,fsc and aom are hard/impossible. I wish I had known that ptp and btn are hard too.

Atleast RED is not "that" hard to rejoin I guess.
16.09.21, 21:57
anon

Addendum to post #15: freeleech did exist in per-torrent and global varieties during the early days of What.cd, but tokens did not. They were added after staff got tired of global freeleeches invariably DDoSing the tracker due to the extreme surge of activity. Neutral leech became a thing around the same time.

Initial upload credit wasn't in until late 2008; my first account started with zero traffic. At least ATRAC and ALAC were allowed formats for a while... but was autosnatching a thing back then?

Combine all this with the low upload speeds of the time, and of course many would try to cheat. If RED has a "hard economy", this and the TL and FileList/MP3/Porn of yore were tough as diamond (TL was the tracker that made me discover ratio cheating).
17.09.21, 01:45
illusive

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Originally Posted by faltu

It's much harder now to get back in with invites being rare. Who is gonna invite you to PTP and BTN if you get banned? Ever thought of that?

No. I stopped thinking/dreaming about torrent trackers long time ago. I was fool then and I'd be fool now. Every time I enter such a shitty elite tracker I never download really from it except was for sharing and uploading actually. This including the ones with good archive like PTP/BTN/HDBits/Exigo. Not even once got something to WATCH it. It's fucking shit show. So I'll be fine !.

That and very much this

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Perhaps he's not as traumatized as you by the prospect of losing those accounts

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Originally Posted by faltu

But PTP and BTN are even better than them, though they're hard to join. But if you do get in you're set for life.

I'm set with IPT & RuTracker :D

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Originally Posted by anon

True. Given their initial invite policies, I thought Xanax would become the next What.cd with PTH being Waffles, but it played out the opposite way. Fine by me, as long as we have at least one of each.

Now we need a Waffles for movies and a Waffles for TV, but that's a different matter...

Got me that way exactly. True that about movies & tv too.
17.09.21, 12:54
anon

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Originally Posted by illusive

No. I stopped thinking/dreaming about torrent trackers long time ago. I was fool then and I'd be fool now. Every time I enter such a shitty elite tracker I never download really from it except was for sharing and uploading actually. This including the ones with good archive like PTP/BTN/HDBits/Exigo. Not even once got something to WATCH it. It's fucking shit show. So I'll be fine !.

:lol:

We have all been there to some degree. Less is more.
18.09.21, 20:17
Sm0gg

Alright I found a way to get easy legit upload on RED so I'm not gonna cheat anymore. For anyone curious, just browse bandcamp for free releases that aren't on RED. There's a litteral fuckton out there. It's not as effortless as faking ratio but it goes way faster than my method, and for 0 risk.
18.09.21, 23:02
anon

Soon RED will only have Bandcamp rips and seedboxes autosnatching them from each other.
19.09.21, 13:51
Sm0gg

Hahaha

Unfortunately only 4 GB counted out of my 12 GB upload, and this is a day after, so I'm thinking the 8 GB are probably never gonna come back. I can't even report this (not that anything would get done anyway) since I wouldn't want them to look at my stats too closely... ^^''
19.09.21, 13:56
faltu

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Originally Posted by illusive

No. I stopped thinking/dreaming about torrent trackers long time ago. I was fool then and I'd be fool now. Every time I enter such a shitty elite tracker I never download really from it except was for sharing and uploading actually. This including the ones with good archive like PTP/BTN/HDBits/Exigo. Not even once got something to WATCH it. It's fucking shit show. So I'll be fine !.

That and very much this

I'm set with IPT & RuTracker :D

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Got me that way exactly. True that about movies & tv too.

I mostly agree but strongly disagree with you about PTP and BTN as they're both ratiofree and content wise they're easily better than ipt and rutracker combined, specially PTP. PTP has a BP system so it's easy to survive and users in their forum generously hand out BPs. It's got the content of RED/What and a BP system more generous than OPS. Agree with you that HDbits and Exigo is mostly crap but not PTP and BTN.

The best part about PTP is that you can find the rarest of rare movies in multiple HD formats including 480P and 576P. It's as if the director of the movie ripped his own movie in multiple formats and uploaded them all there. Their catalog is mindblowing. BTN is too but yes if all you download are mainstream shows like Ted Lasso then you don't need them.
19.09.21, 14:00
anon

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Originally Posted by Sm0gg

Unfortunately only 4 GB counted out of my 12 GB upload, and this is a day after, so I'm thinking the 8 GB are probably never gonna come back.

One piece of advice: never stop torrents or close your client while the tracker is down, or else your traffic for that session will be lost forever. Be patient and it'll get through eventually.

In any case, you would do well in uploading many more torrents than are required for your target class (at least thrice as much), as an inactivity insurance of sorts in case you can't keep seeding them at some point... because most autosnatchers won't.
20.09.21, 01:33
illusive

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Originally Posted by faltu

I mostly agree but strongly disagree with you about PTP and BTN as they're both ratiofree and content wise they're easily better than ipt and rutracker combined, specially PTP. PTP has a BP system so it's easy to survive and users in their forum generously hand out BPs. It's got the content of RED/What and a BP system more generous than OPS. Agree with you that HDbits and Exigo is mostly crap but not PTP and BTN.

Me being on both and not downloading for them at all says I disagree with you as well :).

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Originally Posted by faltu

The best part about PTP is that you can find the rarest of rare movies in multiple HD formats including 480P and 576P. It's as if the director of the movie ripped his own movie in multiple formats and uploaded them all there. Their catalog is mindblowing. BTN is too but yes if all you download are mainstream shows like Ted Lasso then you don't need them.

Yep, never needed.
29.11.21, 02:41
vaxike2028

I also want to start cheating on Redacted, I have two questions:

1. Can I keep the listening port of RatioMaster+ the same as my qBittorent port?

2. According to your plan, you want to seed many torrents at a very slow speed, would not that be easy to detect? I mean when a real leecher downloads from us, they don't take hours to slowly download the files, so should not we try to act like a real leecher and download at more than 200kbps speed at least for few minutes and stop it manually.
29.11.21, 15:16
anon

1. yes, as long as you always start qBittorrent first so that it can actually bind to the port.

2. has already been answered in page 1.
08.12.21, 04:07
CorpseBlade

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Originally Posted by anon

1. yes, as long as you always start qBittorrent first so that it can actually bind to the port.

2. has already been answered in page 1.

One way to cheat... or do it very legally... is if you have like 2 accounts and use the other account to download the files uploaded by the first one.
Since redacted has that 5yr thing going on this could in fact work... they gave 50 freeleech tokens.
put in some random 50 files 1 gb each and use the other account to seed it.
Should work quite well, no?
I also had some "Different" experiences with cheating on Redacted however...
I haven't been there for more than a few months and i cheated blatantly and they didn't happen to notice.
And since i was a complete newbie i cheated on those torrents that one would find immediately if something was wrong like if the file is 5 gigs and u uploaded 52+Gigs on it in a short amount of time XD
But i wasn't detected at all.... so i guess there's that.
Either they're not so attentive or there's a threshold where the amount of users get low enough for them to investigate. keeping around 25GB should be the way to go i think. Mine's like above 100GB so... XD
I wonder how long it'll take them to find me...
Would be a fun catch up game in itself lol
09.12.21, 00:50
anon

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Originally Posted by CorpseBlade

One way to cheat... or do it very legally... is if you have like 2 accounts and use the other account to download the files uploaded by the first one.

"Very legally" if you ignore the fact their golden rules disallow having more than one account. Now, if you meant that in the sense of two different people acting in collusion and gaming the system to buffer each other, then indeed it's a technically "legal" tactic their staff don't seem to think needs any addressing.

https://i.imgur.com/YTjreI4.png

For maximum effectiveness, make sure to use the IP filtering feature in both clients to block the entire IPv4 address space with the exception of each other and RED's tracker... if you were so inclined.
09.12.21, 03:46
snowsy1173

Quote:

Originally Posted by anon

"Very legally" if you ignore the fact their golden rules disallow having more than one account. Now, if you meant that in the sense of two different people acting in collusion and gaming the system to buffer each other, then indeed it's a technically "legal" tactic their staff don't seem to think needs any addressing.

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For maximum effectiveness, make sure to use the IP filtering feature in both clients to block the entire IPv4 address space with the exception of each other and RED's tracker... if you were so inclined.

please read message all Members Banned the account please don't cheaing any trackers carefully thanks.
11.12.21, 16:23
JohnWick

I have heard from someone, this is very notorious tracker, if they found cheating, trading/selling, invited, account, they will try their best to ban you from all trackers.
11.12.21, 23:04
anon

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowsy1173

please read message all Members Banned the account please don't cheaing any trackers carefully thanks.

I don't understand... did they issue an announcement against this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnWick

I have heard from someone, this is very notorious tracker, if they found cheating, trading/selling, invited, account, they will try their best to ban you from all trackers.

That's common knowledge, please see https://www.sb-innovation.de/showthread.php?t=35011.