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Originally Posted by ozy
Interesting points could you care to elaborate on your model of reality or spirituality as you see it.
do you have an easier question? ;)
the materialistic world/reality: composed of numerous separate or individual but interconnected spiritual entities in elaborate configurations, all having low levels of awareness, what we call: matter
the inhabitants of this world/reality: numerous individual spiritual entities of higher levels of awareness, incarnating in complex bodies (also consisting of the aforementioned matter), perceiving life as a sequence of meaningful events in this reality through various senses (sort of like a highly advanced virtual reality), they are what we call: plants, animals, humans, each representing a higher level of awareness
the purpose and end-result of their experiences being self-realization, wherein they return back to their original state which suits them the most according to their particular characteristics - this state is purely spiritual with no materialistic elements involved
end of the world? there are no more entities involved in forming or experiencing the materialistic reality, it gets dissolved and ends
then the cycle repeats again with some other entities and new materialistic world(s) but with the same inner logic or purpose
this is nothing new, of course, its available in a similar form in the vedic/vedanta based writings
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what life is all about is a mather of perception, each person perception about what is life all about
perception is a view of life from an individual perspective, life needs to exist as something objective/defined in order for you to be able to subjectively perceive it - i agree that each individual behaves according to own subjective views
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if you know or don't know what is life about it dosen't mather much because you are living 'it anyway in 90% of time in the way that we each of us chose ()
sure it matters, the higher level of insight you have, the more significantly your attitude changes and thats the key to a successful inner search - until then your path makes various detours, keeping you away for a while, until you get back on the track and so on
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i don't think if it's anybody that could tell what's life about
i just did, its about the search for the self (your self, yourself)
its not an original idea, spiritually advanced people essentially agree on that (though may use different terms of describing it)
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how to discover your true identity ? and how to know if it's really true ?
again, simply by living your life, the outcome of life is this discovery
you will know by realizing how you do not need nor want anything else
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and now i'm acting like i'm unbelieving conscious entitie and ask : how to be sure that this theory really exist or it can be Scientifically proven and it's not just a story for the people that their are affraid of dying making a process more easy to swallow knowing that we are ethernal - like was the vallhala story for the vikings for example , or haven , hell , or now in the modern days "universe beings religion"
hehe, christians would call you thomas (of little faith)? ;)
depends how you define scientific results - if it is that which can be measured repeatedly by scientific (matter-based, materialistic) instruments, then no, spiritual qualities are not reachable by such methods - example: science cannot measure your consciousness (and never will), thus paradoxically, to them, you don't even exist as an entity!
the absolutely certain proof is your personal absolute certainty, reachable only when there is not a shadow of doubt in your mind
all these serious religions speak of the same in different terms/words/images/descriptions and perhaps with focus on different elements of the same (even science tries the same within its own limited scope)
the golden gates of valhalla are probably what the hindu call the glow of the supersoul, which is basically the entrance to heaven, whose glow appears as if it sets the darkness on fire and may be unbearable to those enamored with the spiritual darkness (hell ought to be located far out in that darkness or at least be a figurative place of suffering due to severe attachment to falsehoods, like addiction to heavy drugs and their subsequent negative effects)
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ideea never transformed in a reality because they where to affraid about " what if"
an idea is simply an idea
if it was never transformed into anything else, it is impossible to tell what it could have been turned into
so instead of fantasies about what something could have been, it is wiser to accept the reality of what it ended up being (in this case, it remained an idea)
the reasons why it happened exactly that way may be many, but overcoming the 'what if' problem was at the time simply not possible, as proven by the actual outcome
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example is,the cure for cancer could exist , but if it's not a public information and keeped in the dark by the drugs company making more money without the people know that cure exist it dosen't mean that the cure is not real , not a reality , hence reality is what our brain can conceive as real , from outside information , or face to face realisation
a cure for cancer would make the company 'immortal' in the eyes of the public - if they had something, they would break their own legs in trying to show it to the world, not to mention how the sales would be guaranteed and the price open to any kind of inflated numbers they may want to achieve
i agree that reality to us is what we perceive as the output of our senses
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if we are ethernal entity's , why ? and why we have to take human vessels form , what's the purpose for this process ? why the materialistic reality was created in a conscious non materialistic and ethernal reality
christians speak of 'falling from grace' (which means entering a state of unworthiness of heaven, or worthiness of the materialistic worlds), the reason was mentioned as: wanting to know the difference between good & evil (which means becoming interested in a dualistic perception, as we perceive things nowadays: good/bad, high/low, seen/unseen, etc., lacking a wholesome approach), which originated with the snake (which may represent the cycle of creation, wherein materialistic words are created and then become populated by entities/souls who are interested in experiencing them)
hindus may speak of a playful supreme god who created all those worlds and basically asked his souls whether they are interested in these worlds and some agreed on entering them and experiencing the contents within, he is also the guarantee that they won't end up lost forever on those labyrinthine paths
in both cases, as time passed by, many of those souls/entities got so forgetful and bewildered with these worlds that they needed occasional help to remember their original goals and the true order of those universe(s) (arrival of enlightened souls, holy scriptures, direct divine intervention, etc.)
another related view (didn't hear this one elsewhere, could it be original? hehe) may be that the materialistic worlds are basically a practical proof of the spiritual invincibility of an entity, that no matter how difficult the addictions or falsehoods or illusions may be, the true self of the entity will always prevail as one cannot run away forever from what he essentially is - in the end, only the (eternal) truth remains