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SealLion
19.12.08, 22:41
PLAN:

This Tutorial will explain on the strategic and correct use of GreedyTorrent without the concern for getting caught by other peers or on Private Trackers based on my own personal experience.

This information is NOT writen in stone. Its a guide only!!


This Tutorial is intended as a guide for the inexperienced user or for someone who wished to gather information from another user also using the same tool to complement his own knowledge.


This Tutorial will not explain on proxy settings to use when integrating the use of GreedyTorrent with your client. Go to GreedyTorrent.com for that.

OBJECTIVE;

You will learn the following:

A. Best settings to use for pimping your ratio on any number of trackers;

B. Adjustments necessary to make on GT when both seeding and downloading torrents;

C. The best time and occasion to use GT so as to pimp your ratio to the best maximum possible when considering various opportunities and situations.

D. Become familiar with formula usage while using GT.



USAGE OF GREEDYTORRENT


What can I say on when to best use GT:

Upload, upload, upload

The best occasion I personally have found to use GT is during uploading.


On any tracker, the best way to maintain a good ratio is to either upload, jump on new torrents, or during freeleeches.

Upload large torrent file sizes. This is best.

For example: 1.0 + Gb sized torrent sizes for best possible ratio-spoofing.


SITUATION:

Upload using GT.

PLAN;

Pay attention to the number of leechers on your torrent. This is crucial.
You cannot pimp your ratio at extra-ordinary amounts,{ i.e. 5X upload when you only have 1-2 leechers}.

Recommend you set GT from anywhere between 1.1 -1.3X Upload in this specific example.

Here's an example:

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8400/gt12jm9.jpg


When the number of leechers has increased to larger numbers, then you may increase GT to higher values.
For example, you start of with only 1-2 leechers on your uploaded torrents.

Initially, you would set GT at lower values such as the recommended values stated above.

When the number of leechers has increased to 5+ {for example}, you can increase GT values to higher values such as 3-4X Upload.


I have found that when applying a formula of 0.6 to 0.8 X the number of leechers, that value can be applied to the setting being used to pimp your ratio using GT.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE: You can raise the value, if you so desire, to the nearest half-number or whole number if value is a decimal value such as { 3 leechers X 0.8=2.4X Upload Amount---Raise Adjusted Upload amount to 3.0 Upload Amount


For example:

leechers=5;

0.6X 5=3.0 X UPLOAD AMOUNT

or

0.8X 5= 4.0 X UPLOAD AMOUNT

or leechers =2

0.6 X 2= 1.2 X UPLOAD AMOUNT---optionally increase UPLOAD AMOUNT to nearest half or whole number---1.5 or 2.0 X UPLOAD AMOUNT--best to stick to half value in such case

When the number of leechers has decreased and you see no consistent increase to the number of leechers on your torrent {due to those leechers now having become seeders of your torrent}, reduce GT's setting to lower values, such as < {less than} 3.0 X Upload amount.

Here's a few examples:



http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1310/gt2ya6.jpg



and here:




http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6639/gt22om3.jpg



When the number of seeders of your uploaded torrent, is high, yet you still have a nominal amount of leechers on your uploaded torrent, recommend you increase GT value.


Consistently having several seeders with few leechers on your uploaded torrent:


A. If your connection is infrequent to the leechers {especially if just 1-2 leechers}, recommend you increase GT values. This is because other seeders are also connected to those leechers and uploading meta-data. You want to maximize your pimping using GT.

B. If your connection is frequent and consistent to the leechers, recommend you increase GT's values.

1. You may opt to also decrease your settings to avoid becoming too suspicious, though its your choice.

2. Though, I personnally do not concern myself over this.

3. GT is not that easily detectable.


For example, you have just 2 leechers on your 100 Mb upoaded torrent with 14 seeders; your connection is consistent and frequent, set GT's value to 1.3-2.0X Upload.

You may again, use the formula that I've discovered works best that I've listed above to aid you in your usage of it.



Where I mentioned earlier the following:


......... pump it right up. {Increase GT higher than forumla values, if you desire}. ....


Where I state 'pump it right up'


This goes in tandem with what I stated here:


A. If your connection is infrequent to the leechers {especially if just 1-2 leechers}, recommend you increase GT values. This is because other seeders are also connected to those leechers and uploading meta-data. You want to maximize your pimping using GT.



Have a look at these true stats {This was an actual occurrence};


Seeders: > {greater than} 40

Leechers: <{less than} 2

Torrent file size: approx. 700 Mb.



Look here:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6259/gt2rd4.jpg



In this image, there's over 40 seeders. There were only 2 leechers. In this image, there are none.


http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5770/ut1qh3.jpg



Now look here:


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4935/fakeuploadamountjk8.jpg




My true upload was less than 1 Mb.

My modified upload, as seen from the GreedyTorrent image was over 25 Mb.

Again, as I've mentioned earlier: You want to maximize the modified upload amount when you have the opportunity.

I did this by literally 'pumping it right up'

When doing something like this, take into consideration:

Tracker Qualities i.e. Is it difficult to seed on, etc..

In this particular case, there are, on a frequent basis not that many leechers on torrents at this particular site.



SITUATION:

Uploading and Downloading using your client while GT is running.

PLAN:


You need to remain conscious of the number of leechers on one torrent, on either the same or different trackers, and the number of leechers on another torrent.

Here's an example:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6622/utbv5.jpg

In the above example, I am both seeding and downloading on various trackers with different numbers of leechers and seeders on each one.

WHAT TO DO:

Recommend you decrease GT's value to something that is reasonable based on the lowest number of leechers on one of the trackers that your connected with.

In the example above, I am only connected to one leecher that is leeching on one of my upoaded torrents while there is an abundance of seeders on another torrent at a different tracker.



Be conscious of what your doing. Keep GT in mind. Don't forget to adjust the tool.

Recommend you decrease GT's value based on only one leecher on your torrent.

In this particular case, I specifically reduced GT to 1.1 X Upload amount
{on many occasions have I set this to 1.2 X Upload amount. IMPORTANT; You need to ensure your account's survival until a larger amount of leechers present themselves }.

One must be patient, yet also prudent in this tool's usage. Not reckless.

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Variations to the above situation:

A. If you have, as an example:

[1]a number of medium to large files, either seeding or downloading

[2] and there are; for example, 3 leechers, increase GT's value accordingly

[3] if the file size is large {e.g. 10+ Gb}, pump it right up. {Increase GT higher than forumla values, if you desire}. There is a good chance that additional leechers and / or seeders will show up. Leechers will connect to other leechers to pass on meta-data to them.

=============================================



FREELEECH


Depending on the number of leechers on a torrent that you;ve downloaded, set GT to appropriate values based on formula.


Variation and example to freeleech situations:

A.


Example;

Seeders: 30+

Leechers: 75+

Torrent File Size: 1.6 Gb.


What to do

Pump it right up. In this case, increase GT's value to > 10 {greater than} X Upload values.

Your hidden within enough peers to remain undetectable. You can make adjustments based solely on leechers and/or comfort level.


B.


Leechers: 1 to 2

Seeders: 10-12

Torrent file size: 75 Mb

WHAT TO DO:

1. Depending on the popularity of such file, you may increase accordingly if you've noticed a consistant increase in leechers on said torrent.

2.Run GT according to additional information given above re: nominal amount of seeders and low leecher count.

3. If no increase of leechers of said torrent occurs, run GT's Upload amount with care.

4. Its best to be prudent with your account and survive the upload spoof without being reckless and overly greedy.

5. Find another torrent to pimp your ratio, then.



HAVING INADVERTANTLY MADE MISTAKES USING GREEDYTORRENT:


SITUATION:

You've forgotten to adjust GT to a reasonable value and you only had 1-2 leechers on your uploaded torrent with no other seeders.


WHAT TO DO;


To avoid being reported by other peers who log on to see what the tracker is reporting about them on the Torrent Peers List, that other leecher notices you having uploaded an extra-ordinary amount and reports you to the system, in consideration of the torrent file size.



For example:

Torrent file size: 300 Mb

Leechers: 2

Seeders: 1 {you}

Real and true upload amount: 150 Mb

Adjusted upload amount {as reported by GT}: 500 Mb

Your now in potential trouble of losing your account.

You must remain conscious of what your doing. To reduce reportage of you by others, you should sign in occasionally and see what the system has reported of your {adjusted} upload amount.

If your adjusted upload amount is unreasonable as per the number of leechers:

A. stop the torrent and your connection to those peers;

B. wait a minuite or two;

C. re-connect to those peers;

D. sign in to account and observe what system has reported of you on the Torrent Peers List of that specific torrent. You have now reduced your chances of being discovered at least by peers and being reported of.


OTHER THINGS:



HITTING AND RUNNING WITH GREEDYTORRENT:



If you've had a high Upload amount in GT's use and you have a high spoofed ratio based on that single torrent, on a personnal note, I decide whether I can run from the continued seeding of a downloaded torrent or not.

In some situations, I do run after approx. an hour or so of seeding any specific torrent with no leechers attaching themselves to that torrent within a set time frame if my spoofed upload amount is high enough.

If leechers do continue to present themselves, why not continue pimping your ratio, then.




DISCLAIMER:


A. This is intended as a guide only.

1. Use at your discretion.

2. Don't blame me if you got caught. If you got caught, its your fault, not mine.

3. You were either reckless or you didn't know what your doing.

B. This guide is intended for novices only, as opposed to knowledgeable users already of this tool as an addendum to their own knowledge of the tool.

1. You still can't blame me if you got caught using my own experiences.

If you have found this guide of value to you, please say 'thanks'.




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Se7Ven
19.12.08, 23:35
brother thank you verry verry much for this tuturiol and your explain!!!!!!

i never used before and so i am now a inexperienced..greenhorn.but i will test this new adventure

jolas
20.12.08, 00:09
in theory its seams safer than mtratio, because youre in fact uploading, i do this almost the same but whit shu. so, i must understand from this, that you prefer greedy because its lighter, and more simple than shu.

is that it sealion?
because i dont see anyother difference to shu. ( im always a noob, maybe thats why )
good tut +1

anon
20.12.08, 00:26
@SealLion: very good job with the tutorial. It's extremely detailed and well laid out, you have covered all possible usage scenarios, and included some tips/formulas of your own. Furthermore, GreedyTorrent isn't as well-documented in our board as the Azureus Hack or the Faze Mod, for example, so it's a perfect guide for users who didn't know about, or how to use this often ignored tool.

Sticky it is! :top:

SealLion
20.12.08, 00:43
in theory its seams safer than mtratio, because youre in fact uploading, i do this almost the same but whit shu. so, i must understand from this, that you prefer greedy because its lighter, and more simple than shu.

is that it sealion?
because i dont see anyother difference to shu. ( im always a noob, maybe thats why )
good tut +1


Hello Jolas: The reason that I like to use GreedyTorrent is b/c I would prefer to upload genuinly to peers and just cheat the tracker.

with other spoof tools, like NRPG and RatioBlaster, one does not genuinly upload {or for that matter, download} to one's peers.

Its just my personal preference, thats all.

I could just as easily pimp my ratio with Shu or fAzeMod.


There's many, many good tools and mods on this board.

each one has their preferences. I just prefer this one. Thats all.

jolas
20.12.08, 00:57
i see, what you mean, i too, dont mind sedding what i can, once again when i have digital connection whit 3mbs of upload, maybe i wont need so much shumod.

but i do seed whit shu, exactly like you, i just seed a little more thank to the hack, usually 10, to 20 kbs fake over my real sending speed.

SealLion
22.12.08, 02:01
I tried editing my own post above {have done so successfully before}.
Cant seem to do it.
I keep getting a message that tells me that my message is too short--less than 10 words??.

I've added/edited into the original post more than 2/3 of that post. That's way more than 10 characters.

What the frak is going on?

anon
22.12.08, 18:02
Have you made sure you're pressing "edit" and not "quote"? Because when quoting posts, text between QUOTE tags doesn't count towards the 10-char minimum, which would explain the "false" alarm.

Anyway, 24 hours have passed since you made the first post, so you can't edit it anymore. You have to ask a VIP or Mod to do so. Again, if you want me to add it to your main post, just tell me. :smile:

reg-sb
12.01.09, 18:55
hey sealLion i need to ask u something about greedytorrent,
can i ask here ?
[can't pm due to limitations]
just wanna make sure if this thread is still active ..
could u just message here if u come ol.

thanks.

anon
12.01.09, 18:56
The thread is still alive. You can ask here if you want, unless you are afraid of tracker admins watching your post.

reg-sb
12.01.09, 19:27
haha.
thanks for the quick reply anon.
.. i feel life is too short to be afraid.

so here goes the question ..


If i set Report my upload as 0.5 times my download
i.e Each 1MiB dl = 0.5MiB ul

how much upload speed in kbs will it send to the tracker if i'm only downloading and not uploading in real.:confused:

it's like if i set Report my upload as 1.25 times my upload
i.e Each 1MiB ul = 1.25MiB ul
greedytorrent sends my real torrent's upload speed like 25 or 30 kb/s .. i've checked it in the peerlist.

so when i set to the earlier setting, there won't be any actual upload speed to send to the tracker.
will i endup like 100mb/s uploaded with 0kb/s ul speed ?
could you explain it to me please ? :eek13:

waiting for ur reply
thanks.

anon
12.01.09, 19:30
If i set Report my upload as 0.5 times my download
i.e Each 1MiB dl = 0.5MiB ul

how much upload speed in kbs will it send to the tracker if i'm only downloading and not uploading in real.:confused:

The setting is a multiplier, so the tracker will see half (0.5x) your real download speed. For example, if you were downloading at 300kB/s, the tracker will see a 150kbs upload.


it's like if i set Report my upload as 1.25 times my upload
i.e Each 1MiB ul = 1.25MiB ul
greedytorrent sends my real torrent's upload speed like 25 or 30 kb/s .. i've checked it in the peerlist.

It should be reporting 1.25x your real upload speed.

Aurion
14.01.09, 23:38
Awesomely written man,I really liked how your kept the guiding line along with clarifying main points to be used as attack plan :biggrin: Good Job m8 :top:

Tinkle
29.03.09, 06:01
hey sealion just a small advice i would like to know which is better GT or ratiofaker
since many says GT has small flaw which could be detected in trackers
so asking
and really thanks for helping me
also hehehe sory to ask u so many questions and trouble u

SealLion
29.03.09, 06:26
It does not trouble me to answer questions, austin.


The answer to your question:

flaws exist in every mod. That's a certainty that can't be denied.

do flaws exist in RF??....I have no doubt in my mind they do.

I've used it and and found it as good as GT.


Would I use RF again? Yes.

Would I continue to use GT? Yes.


It's important to understand the following:


One uses tools and mods that suits the user best, yes?




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anon
29.03.09, 22:12
hey sealion just a small advice i would like to know which is better GT or ratiofaker

I'm not SealLion, but I'd prefer RF, since GT doesn't work properly with the latest uTorrent version and isn't likely to be updated. Also, RF has more settings like show as seeder, random multiplier, tracker exclusion, etc.

hackvish
16.04.09, 20:48
So do I have to ACTUALLY download and upload the data???

anon
16.04.09, 20:49
Download: yes
Upload: depending on your settings, you can multiply it or send one that's a multiplier of your download.

hackvish
16.04.09, 20:56
So greedytorrent is not efficient for people with small bandwidth.They have to download the date.

anon
16.04.09, 20:57
If you don't want to download or upload the files use the RatioMaster or mRatio.

hackvish
16.04.09, 21:05
yep ratiomaster is better for people of Small Bandwidth.

Pingu
08.11.09, 18:11
I'm not SealLion, but I'd prefer RF, since GT doesn't work properly with the latest uTorrent version and isn't likely to be updated. Also, RF has more settings like show as seeder, random multiplier, tracker exclusion, etc.

Got me lost there, wasn't the RF the one that didn't worked properly in newer ut versions?

anon
08.11.09, 18:12
I rushed to post that :tongue: GT had an issue with one of the newest uTorrent versions at the time, but as far as I know it works fine now.

Pingu
08.11.09, 18:17
great, i was starting to worry xD

regarding the GT vs RF, am I right if I say that maybe the fact that GT has a constant multipler on your download, since you will be ACTUALLY uloading while downloading, so the multiplied amount would sum up with your real upload in the announce to the tracker, resulting in different ratios each time?

anon
08.11.09, 18:17
As far as I know real upload isn't added when you use GT's download multiplier.

SealLion
08.11.09, 18:19
It's with RF that uT has a current problem with.

It's the mod's author that would be responsible for making an adjustment about this.'


Is there any particular concern that you have in using older versions of uT??

There's lots of sites that continue to accept v 1.6*, you know.
Unless you like having all the new bells and whistles that newer versions of uT come with, you know,.,.,.you can continue to use 1.6* or even 1.7* with this tool.
It works fine.
Really.

Pingu
08.11.09, 18:41
ok, that really changes the scenario, will have to really think this trough, since RF has some downs (having to stop the torrent and the compatibility) but the evident ratio thing in GT is really bad =(


EDIT: no problem with older versions, just worried about the torrent stopping thing...

anon
08.11.09, 18:55
just worried about the torrent stopping thing...

On GT there's no need to do that, if I remember correctly. But it's not a big deal :tongue:

Pingu
08.11.09, 19:22
regarding that, am i supposed to stop the torrent before every update or just from time to time?

anon
08.11.09, 19:23
Before you change any RF settings.

SealLion
08.11.09, 19:29
Having to stop RF is only an inconvenience.

I say that even in my tutorial in the Disadvantage Section.

Just having to stop the thing is really no big deal. It's common for people to stop and start thier client. I've seen it lot's of times in uT. I'm sure you have too.

Thiers tonnes of reasons why this happens:


a computer update has occured and so it was necessary to stop other software actions;

software was downloaded and it was prudent to stop all other traffic so that other downloads take precedence;

computer restart;

etc..etc...

It's no big deal. Only an inconvenience.

Seriously....how much time does it take for you to move your mouse from one button to another and then back again after having made adjustments?...
...2-3 secs??

Pingu
08.11.09, 19:32
In my personal experience, the program doesn't record your amounts correctly unless you do so.

What SealLion means is that the changes are not well recorded?

Maybe himself can answer this xD

anon
08.11.09, 19:35
I guess he means the stats on the tracker...

Pingu
08.11.09, 19:41
Guess i'll just try an open signup site and check the updates sent...

SealLion
08.11.09, 19:49
Since this discussion is here about RF now, rather than GT which is what I intended this thread-tutorial to be about (RF has it's own discussion thread and I don't like having the 2 mixed together as they are 2 completely different tools that each deserve separate discussions) , I'll answer this here, then

When I say what you've quoted above, anon is correct: On the tracker side.

you need to:
stop
Make adjustments.
Restart

If you don't...as I 've plainly made mention in the other post in the other thread
which by rights should be discussed there, not here as this tutorial is about a different tool, in my own personal experience, you'll have different recordings of ratio on the tracker side.

It's invariably impossible to have incorrect ratio recordings within the tool. Not unless there's some Houdini magic going on.

Blankshot7655
08.04.19, 09:35
are these tools still relevant although this thread is so old? I assume the tool "ratio ghost" is the same idea as these here?

It seems like most people have moved to more advanced methods/tools right? (im going through the list of tutorials and havent got to ratiomaster and the others yet..)

coolio256
08.04.19, 14:13
are these tools still relevant although this thread is so old? I assume the tool "ratio ghost" is the same idea as these here?

It seems like most people have moved to more advanced methods/tools right? (im going through the list of tutorials and havent got to ratiomaster and the others yet..)

The last post is 10 years old. You have to use latest releases to be safe.

anon
09.04.19, 23:07
are these tools still relevant although this thread is so old? I assume the tool "ratio ghost" is the same idea as these here?

It seems like most people have moved to more advanced methods/tools right? (im going through the list of tutorials and havent got to ratiomaster and the others yet..)

I've never used Ratio Ghost myself, but it seems to follow the same principle as GreedyTorrent, and thus share the same weakness: the inability to work on HTTPS and UDP trackers, which are enforced by most private trackers and some semi-private ones respectively.