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kazuya
16.06.10, 12:50
I want you to post your Disc Quality tests so we see what speeds,recorder,discs,etc are the best.We will use for that Disc Quality option located in Nero's Toolkit DiscSpeed.

Some burners don't support that or are blocked,for blocked search in regedit for "CD Quality" and in string Blocked remove your burner(Samsung,SST,..)

i will start,i burned some movies and wanted to test quality...


Disc: Princo DVD-R 4.7 GB 16x
ID: PRINCORGM1
Burning Speed: 16x
Writer:Samsung SH-S223B

Quality score: 95 (above 90 is very good)


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Instab
16.06.10, 15:56
not so sure ... is that a speed test or a quality test?
oh and, if you wanna have objective results use a different drive for the test and not the burner you burned it with of course

kazuya
16.06.10, 17:17
it should be quality test :biggrin:,benchmark test is for speed but can also be for Quality,depends on graf how straight it goes... burning with lower speeds for better quality are just rumors,new burners and disc's are optimized for high speed burning so burning with higher speed can be better then with lower(if you have new hardware)

Instab
16.06.10, 17:20
burning with lower speeds for better quality are just rumors,new burners and disc's are optimized for high speed burning so burning with higher speed can be better then with lower(if you have new hardware)

that's totally wrong. even new burners can't trick physics :tongü:
the slower the better. period.

kazuya
16.06.10, 17:24
well i don't know,experts tested it :confused2:

Instab
16.06.10, 17:25
well i don't know,experts tested it :confused2:

what experts? where? tested how?

kazuya
16.06.10, 17:32
i read something at myce and pc expert forums...

Instab
16.06.10, 17:34
i read something at myce and pc expert forums...

hehe, well, don't believe everything you read :tongü:
anyway of course everyone is free to burn as fast or slow as he desires

cheatos
16.06.10, 17:40
i read the same as kazuya and i always burn @max speed both for data discs and for Xbox games.

newer burners are optimized for fast/medium, slow speeds aren't the best,
its the Media that affects the burning process and only the media, burners have a small (VERY small) impact on the quality

Don't burn disks at slow speeds (http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-hardware/9516-dont-burn-disks-slow-speeds.html)
3rd post

If I burn DVDs and CDs at lower speeds, will the quality be better than at high speeds? - Yahoo! Answers (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090318094128AAeO7jV)

Something about audio cds:
Q. Why does the speed at which you burn a CD make a difference? (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov04/articles/qa1104-3.htm)


Technical Editor Hugh Robjohns replies: Different burn speeds do indeed have a measurable effect on the quality of the signal burned into a CD-R, but it also depends on the quality of the CD burner and the CD-R itself.

however since that article is old, 2004, newer CDs doesn't suffer that.


Also:

If i remember previous tests correctly, then very high burning speeds as well as very low burning speeds tend to negatively affect quality. So, choosing the lowest possible speed may not be a good idea.

And:


When you get a "bad burn", you don't always know why... It could have been a bad-blank

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Does the speed of CD burning affect audio quality? - Hydrogenaudio Forums (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=64090)


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I have noticed a rather interesting myth floating around the net in regards to wii images and burning. What I mean is the urban legend of burning wii games or any console games at low speeds on your computer dvd burner drive. This is fallacy and there is a reason why this makes no sense at all.

All drives and media have rated speeds they will perform at. When using a 16x disc in a 20x burner the media and drive are tuned and calibrated for burning at the recommended speed. In fact, burning at a lower rate actually INCREASES the error rate you will experience. Think I am kidding? Burn a game disc with your drive at 4x and then again at 16x on the same media rated for 16x. Now scan the 2 discs using a error scanning tool. Guess which disc will have a much higher error rate... Yep, the 4x disc will suck compared to the 16x disc.

Let's throw this rumor out the window now, and start burning discs to your hardware's real potential.



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burn speeds for wii games [Archive] - MaxConsole (http://www.maxconsole.net/archive/index.php/t-80640.html)


Its the media and only the media that affects the burn quality.
but as i said above the burner may have a small (VERY small) impact on the burned disc

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why did they invent high speeds if you're not going to use them :huh:?
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@Kazuya, i'll post mine soon :)

kazuya
16.06.10, 17:41
i tested some Imation disc,4x speed,burned with some older Samsung or LG,can't remember,1-2 year old,it's a difference


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look at number of errors and quality score..

now when Instab scans hes media that take ages for burning and sees low scores :Heul_nich: :troest:

don't forget to test it with speed you burned it...

Instab
16.06.10, 18:08
i read the same as kazuya and i always burn @max speed both for data discs and for Xbox games.

newer burners are optimized for fast/medium, slow speeds aren't the best,
its the Media that affects the burning process and only the media, burners have a small (VERY small) impact on the quality

Don't burn disks at slow speeds (http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-hardware/9516-dont-burn-disks-slow-speeds.html)
3rd post

If I burn DVDs and CDs at lower speeds, will the quality be better than at high speeds? - Yahoo! Answers (http://answers.yahoo.com/qüstion/index?qid=20090318094128AAeO7jV)

Something about audio cds:
Q. Why dös the speed at which you burn a CD make a difference? (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov04/articles/qa1104-3.htm)



however since that article is old, 2004, newer CDs dösn't suffer that.


Also:


And:



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Dös the speed of CD burning affect audio quality? - Hydrogenaudio Forums (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=64090)


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burn speeds for wii games [Archive] - MaxConsole (http://www.maxconsole.net/archive/index.php/t-80640.html)


Its the media and only the media that affects the burn quality.
but as i said above the burner may have a small (VERY small) impact on the burned disc

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why did they invent high speeds if you're not going to use them :huh:?
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@Kazuya, i'll post mine soon :)

yeah, just dösn't match my experience at all :P

---------- Post added at 16:45 ---------- Previous post was at 16:43 ----------

and remember, people like to throw in some things just to gain attention ;)
especially journalists :P

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but just try it yourself. burn the same stuff at different speeds and check the cd/dvd with another drive.
maybe your burner and media is better than what i have/had ...

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well, reading that burn speeds for wii games (http://www.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?80640-burn-speeds-for-wii-games&)
shows quite mixed opinions.
however that's without any proof at all. just stuff that some guys said.

that's a problem in the internet. everybody can make a statement without any reasoning

kazuya
16.06.10, 18:09
maybe your burner and media is better than what i have/had

there is the point.it doesn't matter lower speeds better quality,it all depends,higher speed could be higher quality,depends on disc,burner...best thing would be to test disc at 4X,8X,16X speed and see whit what speed are the best settings for that disc and burner,for some could better be lower speed then for some higher


that's a problem in the internet. everybody can make a statement without any reasoning

well you make a statement also :biggrin:

Instab
16.06.10, 18:11
there is the point.

no, the laws of physics are the same for every burner and media. this was more some kind of rhetorical qüstion

cheatos
16.06.10, 18:15
but just try it yourself. burn the same stuff at different speeds and check the cd/dvd with another drive.
maybe your burner and media is better than what i have/had ...


i am doing tests now, just i need some time :D
i have discs burned from 2005 to 2010 with different media and different speeds.
i will verify them in my BENQ,
dvds are burned using multiple drivers (LG,Sony and the BENQ itself)
will use DVD+R, DVD-R and DVD DL+R

i will proof that media is the main reason for quality :D

Instab
16.06.10, 18:21
i am doing tests now, just i need some time :D
i have discs burned from 2005 to 2010 with different media and different speeds

and you can recall the speeds used for each of them?

cheatos
16.06.10, 18:23
since i always burn at max (And the 2005 Benq burn at 16x), i will take a look at the disc's cover where "Up to" speed is written.

example, some sony dvds are 8x , princo 4x, imation 8x, imation 16x ..etc

Instab
16.06.10, 18:49
since i always burn at max (And the 2005 Benq burn at 16x), i will take a look at the disc's cover where "Up to" speed is written.

example, some sony dvds are 8x , princo 4x, imation 8x, imation 16x ..etc

okay, however to get a good result the data should be the same on all discs. but would be interesting to see those results anyway

kazuya
16.06.10, 19:23
best way to test would be to burn same data on let's say Verbatim with 4x,then 8x and 16x and so that same data with different speed's on other discs and then compare

lol look at my Traxdata 16x burned with Samsung SH-s182d ,wtf ,have photoshop on it :frown:

never again buy traxdata...



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