View Full Version : Cheating on TOPHOS
I have collected some banning reasons available on Shitlist of TopHos, and tried to explain them briefly as how someone can avoid them, these are also the most common reasons which results in banning at other trackers.
Reason 1
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2798
What is a MLA cheat ? I haven't heard about this before
Reason 2
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2797
Carefully plot your cheating speeds according to your ISP speeds (I have question here How do trackers find ISP maximum uploading and downloading speeds ?)
Reason 3
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2796
Risk of flashing on torrents with no leechers is evident from above
Reason 4
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2795
Dont flash on newer torrents , please be patient until there are some seeds and file have come snatch counts
Reason 5
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2794
Wat a neat TIP , Thanks
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2793
Avoid flashing to early let torrent announce sufficient times , Flashing can be perfected with calculations.
Reason 6
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2792
ask yourself what is the maximum of a DVDR , 4.3GB? therefore always carefully chose torrent for specially its size.
Reason 7
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2791
You can upload 5.10 TB on a single file if and only if file size and peers connected to it allows you to do so, avoid flashing such unreal amounts on files of smaller size with less peers.
Reason 8
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2790
One should be extra careful about speeds, try to use speeds that are common such as those ranging between 500KB/s - 1MBps, and to give yourself extra cover on torrents with less amount of peers use speeds that matches with those your ISP provides.
Reason 9
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2789
In think this is the case of "report as seeder with 100% done", one should always use report as seeder when torrent is properly crowded.
Reason 10
http://www.sb-innovation.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=2788
Perhaps SBFreak would like to share his experience ;)
one should always use report as seeder when torrent is properly crowded.
And you can get it elsewhere or have snatched it...
In all honesty, not much different than while cheating on different trackers. The same could be said for others as well.
Summery: Don't make your cheating so blatantly obvious.
Have patience.
Also, have a look at the ratio requirements. Use that as a guide. TopHos ratio req's are pretty lenient. Much like some other sites.
Sometime's it isn't necessary to get 1:1.
It helps, yes, but think about your patience level, the ratio req's, and the necessity of not having to go all-out-crazy on your cheating efforts.
I don't expect myself to be on the Shitlist.
I'm kind daring MM to find me and put me there, but I doubt that he'll find me (said without haughtiness)
My ratio on that site is acceptable.
That's all that I'll say as I don't want to identify myself to him there.
I don't know what are you doing at that tracker at all SealLion :)
I don't know what are you doing at that tracker at all SealLion :)...
...cheating there.
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...cheating there.
well if the sole reason is to piss melvin off then i can see the logic :top:
Well, he said there was no TopHos cheating thread. :cool:
(And also that he didn't exactly want one :tongue:)
well, I guess there's one here now.
How to cheat on the tracker that has the Top of all Ho's??:biggrin:
Easy. Just like any other site.
No need to use it all the time, take it easy. That's how I do it.
So now we've got a "how to cheat on TOPHOS" & my own little jocular thread of him getting his pants leached off, of him.
I think that, that may only have been Part I, though.
Maybe there's a sequel.
IDK yet.
well. As long as I have 'referrer's disabled', I don't believe that he'll know that it's me who just signed into my account to check up on it.
As for cheating...really, all I can say is just don't over do it.
He's got a decent ratio requirements and they're actually pretty decent to keep.
And I'd say (I'm giving my own opinion here) that b/c of his decent ratio req's, it's not necessary to give yourself a 1500000 TB :1 ratio, you know what I mean??
Giving yourself a buffer is good too, just not too heavy of a buffer. You see, Sysie's...er....Sysie Ops like MM look for outrageous ratio's, yes?? (That's one of the things that he looks for).
So when MM looks for outrageous ratio's...guess what??
You know what to expect, yes??
Cheat as per your download. If for example, your download is 10 GB, then by all means, give yourself at least a ratio that's in the late 1.* range or even in the mid to late 2.* range.
Having a range like that would still give yuo a comfortable ratio range. No need to have a ratio range in the 10.* :1 range.
IMHO, That's not necessary.
at least that's how I see it.
Someone else may think differently and that's ok. I think that we all benefit from one another's cheating ideas and so forth, yes??
I'm not going to talk about speeds and tools and mods and so forth. That's for someone else to decide what they want to use.
but I will say this: Tools are good to use.
RF is a nice little buddy of mine. :biggrin:
well. As long as I have 'referrer's disabled', I don't believe that he'll know that it's me who just signed into my account to check up on it.
Don't forget about the CSS Leak! :biggrin:
Furthermore, referers are only sent when clicking a link to TopHos from somewhere else, and we have a dereferrer in place. If you typed the link and are using the anti-leak stylesheet, you should be fine.
ah, yes. That's right. Only forgot to mention that. We better give a link here now, in case someone asks about what the hell we're talking about re: CSS leak, refereres and so forth.
So for any one reading this nice HowToCheat on TOPHOS tracker.
Here's the link:
http://www.sb-innovation.de/f59/css-history-leak-how-prevent-even-enabled-history-firefox-opera-13725/
Thanks to Shoulder for that, ofc.
and ofc, to see that whole list of nice tutorials we've made up to beat the trackers, here's the link to see all of them:
FAQ & Tutorials - SB-Innovation - Leecher Mod Source Nr. 1 (http://www.sb-innovation.de/f59/)
(I have question here How do trackers find ISP maximum uploading and downloading speeds ?)
Can't be anything too complicated. They got your IP/DNS so they automatically know your ISP. And for speed it is easy too. Some hostname even contains type of connection (lets say 12-345-678-999.dsl.name-of-isp.com ). That "dsl" tells them that user uses some type of (a)dsl connection.
Or they can just google for ISPs homepage and check what is their offer of bandwith packages.
You shouldn't cheat a torrent it is not snathced before, you also shouldn't use same torrent for cheat.
I think that cheating on never snatched torrents is fine and very safe option if torrent has been uploaded recently and there is swarm (some leechers) on it. Just be rational, go with a swarm, and when initial swarm finished dl, and if torrent is popular u can continue cheating until you got like.. 2.0 ratio on that torrent (if you didn't get it even before).
You shouldn't cheat a torrent it is not snathced before, you also shouldn't use same torrent for cheat.
it's okay for scene releases
I think that cheating on never snatched torrents is fine and very safe option if torrent has been uploaded recently and there is swarm (some leechers) on it. Just be rational, go with a swarm, and when initial swarm finished dl, and if torrent is popular u can continue cheating until you got like.. 2.0 ratio on that torrent (if you didn't get it even before).
I don't entirely agree with you that cheating on never snatched torrents is very safe however you can add covertness with monitoring it closely such as Look at Average completion % in swarm and start cheating when Avg Completion is arround 45%-50%. so that it make little sense with amount uploaded.
If you are caught cheating on torrents with 0 snatches there's a very good excuse that "Dr. Melvin I was cross-seeding that torrent, do you have any problem with that? :baeh:"
...... you can add covertness with monitoring it closely such as Look at Average completion % in swarm and start cheating when Avg Completion is arround 45%-50%. so that it make little sense with amount uploaded.
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what a smart Idea.
In all honesty, I never thought of that. I'm gonna remember that one. :smile:
I don't entirely agree with you that cheating on never snatched torrents is very safe
as long as you can get it somewhere else it's fine. and that's the case if it's a scene release as i said before.
but even if you jump in at avg. completion their record will show that you haven't got that part there so don't do it on site exclusive things like packs etc.
@SBcheater: maybe its safety depends on which tracker we are talking about. For example, I use this often on KG tracker to cope with a swarm on new trackers. I wouldn't really know for other trackers because I can't remember any other tracker from whom I would care to download anything that is posted fresh and new.
their record will show that you haven't got that part there so don't do it on site exclusive things like packs etc.
That's a pessimistic approach to cheating, but we will have to think in a little more optimistic way otherwise we won't be able to cheat anywhere, as cheating involve certain risks such as the one you mentioned above. I agree that cheating on suspicious and tracker owned torrents is unsafe but it can be made undetected and mostly I have seen that PACKS found on different trackers already have sufficient snatch counts.
maybe its safety depends on which tracker we are talking about
That true, I was once banned from bitme , I planned my cheat plot very smartly by keep in view all the conditions that should be kept in mind while cheating , but sometimes you become victim of your own perfection and the same thing happened In my case where I faking on a torrent which I later found that was in surveillance of the bitme staff, I have chosen that torrent because it had 50 leechers, and about 15 seeds and its size was about 2-3GB, and it was a month old, have you noticed something suspicious about this torrent ?
okay let me explain how is it possible on a place like bitme where most of the peers have a seedbox and after all this a torrent with such a small size which is 1 Month old still have 50 Leechers and only 15 Seeders? therefore on places like bitme where there are few leechers I recommend carefully choosing a torrent by atleast looking at the peerlist and date torrents was uploaded then comparing this with number of seeds & peers .
It happens alot really :)
2-3GB torrents are usually packs, and people download just a part of it. After they are done they are still shown as leachers, altho they don't leech but seed.
Jumping on this kind of torrents without checking if people really leech is a risky business.
I was about to say the same :biggrin: I mean, a torrent with more leechers than seeders on BitMe... it's easy to spot you when no one's downloading anything but you're "uploading".
a torrent with more leechers than seeders on BitMe... it's easy to spot you when no one's downloading anything but you're "uploading".
I even doubt to very high degree of probability that perhaps they have a script in place to monitor such torrents, but when I forced the Bitme staffer to give me the banning reason he told me that he was part of the swarm and downloading from the same torrent and since then whenever I look the peer list in Azures I kick ban peers with suspicious behavior for example if peer's time spent on a torrent doesn't corresponds to their completion percentage also based on the Bitclient they are using.
Another reason that he gave me was when you are not connectible to the tracker who come you have uploaded GBs of data? and I had to admit that I was cheating and Yet again I am cheating again on Bitme:tongue:
when you are not connectible to the tracker who come you have uploaded GBs of data?
Being not connectable on a tracker like BitMe makes it a lot harder to do real upload since connectable clients will get a lot more "focus" - however, it doesn't make it impossible.
That's a pessimistic approach to cheating, but we will have to think in a little more optimistic way otherwise we won't be able to cheat anywhere, as cheating involve certain risks such as the one you mentioned above. I agree that cheating on suspicious and tracker owned torrents is unsafe but it can be made undetected and mostly I have seen that PACKS found on different trackers already have sufficient snatch counts.
That true, I was once banned from bitme , I planned my cheat plot very smartly by keep in view all the conditions that should be kept in mind while cheating , but sometimes you become victim of your own perfection and the same thing happened In my case where I faking on a torrent which I later found that was in surveillance of the bitme staff, I have chosen that torrent because it had 50 leechers, and about 15 seeds and its size was about 2-3GB, and it was a month old, have you noticed something suspicious about this torrent ?
okay let me explain how is it possible on a place like bitme where most of the peers have a seedbox and after all this a torrent with such a small size which is 1 Month old still have 50 Leechers and only 15 Seeders? therefore on places like bitme where there are few leechers I recommend carefully choosing a torrent by atleast looking at the peerlist and date torrents was uploaded then comparing this with number of seeds & peers .
It happens alot really :)
2-3GB torrents are usually packs, and people download just a part of it. After they are done they are still shown as leachers, altho they don't leech but seed.
Jumping on this kind of torrents without checking if people really leech is a risky business.
I was about to say the same :biggrin: I mean, a torrent with more leechers than seeders on BitMe... it's easy to spot you when no one's downloading anything but you're "uploading".
And that's probably a good reason why people who aren't familiar with cheating techniques become 'failed' cheaters.
People always ask about speeds and tools and such, but never consider other important elements in the cheating environment that also need consideration.
tools and mods are just a portion of the cheater's knowledge and tools available to him. It's the skill and techniques that make one a person who isn't caught often or rarely at all.
Most of the times, I read here and eleswhere too about a person who needs to have his ratio improved 'right now'.
In fact he needs his ratio improved 'yesterday'.
You know what I mean by that??
cuz otherwise he gets banned and sent off to the sewers to live with the rats and all the other rot that's there.
I'm sure you've read posts like that too.
People are so desperate for an improved ratio that they also completely fail to consider the necessity of patience while cheating. It's not always necessary to have a ratio that is the highest-in-the land.
Choosing the right torrent is totally important too.
It's a little more difficult to cheat on a torrent that has 2 seeds and 1 leecher.
It can be done, just a little more differently. Albiet with some difficulty as well.
And so pple who lack patience, download some 'awesome' torrent that has that small peer number, cheat on it, and get themselves banned b/c they didn't consider other variables.
So when cheating, it definitly is important to consider what you guys just mentioned. Choosing the correct torrent is another and having some patience while cheating is another. It's not necessary to cheat to the most extreme and IMHO, it's not necessary to cheat all the time.
thats' my 2 cents.
That's a pessimistic approach to cheating, but we will have to think in a little more optimistic way otherwise we won't be able to cheat anywhere
eh, a little quote from yourself:
I always think pessimistically while cheating on any tracker
from there: http://www.sb-innovation.de/showthread.php?threadid=10727&page=3#post142381
Great post, SealLion. We need to make a thread where that kind of important aspects of cheating is mentioned one day... as a matter of fact, I have something similar on my To Do list. Just have to deal with the following week and perhaps I'll get on it :tongue:
Good post SeaLion, agreed on every point.
Most of the times, I read here and eleswhere too about a person who needs to have his ratio improved 'right now'.
In fact he needs his ratio improved 'yesterday'.
You know what I mean by that??
That's a brilliant post full of rich ideas and highlights and very well said :top: , as the patience is the best virtue.
We need to make a thread where that kind of important aspects of cheating is mentioned one day
Thats a very good idea to collects do's and donts of cheating under a single thread where ppl can exclusively share there creative ideas about cheating generaly
I would like to suggest a name for your coming thread if you like "DOs and DON'T of cheating"
We need to make a thread where that kind of important aspects of cheating is mentioned
yeah, sticky and that should be locked so it dösn't end up like the waffles thread.
I'm not sure. It's true that some people don't Search, but we can't know when someone does and thus they don't need to ask anything, right?
yeah, also trü, however the problem is when a thread grows the valuable info is cluttered all over it so one locked post would be handy anyway. like a compressed collection of the useful things ...
Or just that first post contains all great ancient knowledge, with common questions and answers included that can be gathered from specific subject, which particular topic is about.
I have a long-crafted plan for such a "guide post", too. Currently, this is my To Do list:
Updated RM tutorial
mRatio tutorial
Traffic shaping guide
Cheating theory tutorial
Extended content list
Sort the "tracker cheating table" thread
Common questions and answers
banneduser
20.11.09, 19:17
anon i think mratio fix for win x64 can also come here :smile:
I don't code mRatio, The248 does. Until he finds how to fix the issue, you won't be able to run mR in 64-bit systems.
thinking of what we learned about its detection lately i think it's better to stick to rm anyway
Can you guys create a program to help me in casino? I lost 21 times in a row on the black/red game. Now c'mon that has to be fixed. I couldn't flip a coin 21 times and lose everytime if my life depended on it. Coincidence? I think not. I am wondering how Mr. Meow did this. 21 times in a row. I think I would like my lost gb's back. :smile:
I don't think anything can be coded as this is a serverside "issue", but I'm not sure on it.
There are certain mathematical models that can fairly good calculate and estimate your outcome in the roulette. Speed of the ball, of the wheel are both calculate. Counted for rounds when ball passes certain number.
There is also specific electronic devices that measure and calucalate that for you. :wink:
edit: uups, i was writing about real life casino and roulette and not online ones.:biggrin:
That and changing the uploaded/downloaded amounts in the database like Melvin does sometimes.
I remember Torrential had a roulette game that was easy to manipulate, though...
what is this tophos guys ? :biggrin:
A private tracker. You have some reading to do.
i think it's a crap site because I never heard about it :rolleyes2:
To be honest, one thing doesn't mean the other... if you want to have a look:
http://www.sb-innovation.de/showthread.php?threadid=11177
I see it now and it's still crap for me :klatsch_3:
It's a decent general tracker for me.
anyone tried mratio here?
what speeds are good?
i want to do with speeds of 200kbps is it safe?
i dont find any speed or client suggestions in the thread?
can they detect if i upload greater than my isp speed?as my isp offers different speeds with various prices.
wouldn't risk mratio dü to the announce issüs. pick a fresh torrent and start slowly (50-150). try to blend in.
anyone tried mratio here?
Melvin tried it. He said it's easily detectable. :O
Melvin tried it. He said it's easily detectable. :O
hehe, he should know :P
naughtydog
25.07.10, 16:20
this TOPHOS site aint even all that... not worth having at all. Noobs just move on to find a better general tacker, this tracker sucks. Yeah and a big NO i haven't been banned if that's what you are thinking, I just let my account die cos I realised it isn't worth having an account there. The place is yuuuck.
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