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anon
12.06.09, 01:27
There can be little doubt that the provision of an effective and free service for BitTorrent anonymity would prove hugely popular. Today we bring you a detailed report on BitBlinder - a brand new open source project which promises to cloak your torrents, hide your browsing and get round many obstructive filters.

Link (http://www.bitblinder.com/) :thumbsup:

TF Article (http://torrentfreak.com/free-anonymous-bittorrent-becomes-reality-with-bitblinder-090611/)

Black Orchid
12.06.09, 01:44
It is a really good idea but using proxies is soooo slow. For people that want privacy at any cost this is great news.

anon
12.06.09, 01:45
By the looks of it this won't be a proxy but an anonymity network like Tor, specially designed for P2P.

Grambo
12.06.09, 05:15
Wouldn't the trackers see a foreign ip with you torrent-activity?
It could change the ip often and maybe you could be banned because of it.

anon
12.06.09, 15:16
It depends on how it's coed (I have signed up to try it, and didn't get the e-mail yet):


If it can be used to browse the tracker, announce to it and download from peers (like Tor), they'll notice something's going on when they see multiple accounts using the same IP.
If it can be used to announce to the tracker and download from peers, why do you use a different IP to browse it?
It it's only used to download from peers, then it's like ghostleeching - only use it on big swarms, otherwise there's a small chance of getting caught.


Also, remember some trackers, such as BitMeTV, ban all anonymizers. It'll be just a matter of time before they add BitBlinder's IPs too.

slikrapid
12.06.09, 17:49
they mentioned a fair usage system that would force you to reciprocate, if you want to upload 5GB through other IPs, you would have to also upload 5GB of other user's upload, which in effect reduces your uploading ability to only half of your total connection upload speed

this can lead to wrong people getting anti-p2p warnings (for transferring other user's uploads)

some sites are supposedly supporting this idea and working with this system

imo this is still not a good solution, the best way is to legalize p2p non-profitable sharing of data :top:

the legal system will always have means to get your info from ISP data (unless its outdated like some norvegian ISPs are deleting IP info after a few weeks) since its logical that some serious cyber crimes have to be prevented



I have signed up to try it, and didn't get the e-mail yet)

they are supposedly using an invite system because of large interest

anon
12.06.09, 17:52
this can lead to wrong people getting anti-p2p warnings (for transferring other user's uploads)

About that:

Gain plausible deniability. You might be able to reasonably claim that Internet traffic coming from your computer did not originate from you even if it did. This is not legal advice, but it is nice that the other traffic obscures your own traffic and helps preserve your privacy.

Glad they stated it's not legal advice :rolling_eyes:

slikrapid
12.06.09, 18:45
well, they are just a software company i suppose, trying to get their name/product some attention :frown:

judging by some lawsuits, all the anti-p2p's need is the IP and some kind of a proof that you got connected - what exactly were you doing in the swarm or if you just cheated or something else doesn't concern them much - so if things get bad a good lawyer would be imperative

as for the goal of anonymous sharing with decent speeds (no tor/proxy) and no money trail (no vpn/seedboxes) and IP visible even with encryption of data, i don't really see a safe alternative at the moment :frown:

edit: i guess private tracker sites seem to be the safest option, but if they go down...who knows

anon
12.06.09, 18:57
judging by some lawsuits, all the anti-p2p's need is the IP and some kind of a proof that you got connected - what exactly were you doing in the swarm or if you just cheated or something else doesn't concern them much - so if things get bad a good lawyer would be imperative

That's right. The most common proof is you uploading to them - and this is why on some countries using no upload makes P2P safe. Although you may remember that MediaDefender, for example, has used questionable, shadowy tactics to acquire "evidence" they "don't need anyway".


edit: i guess private tracker sites seem to be the safest option, but if they go down...who knows

It is possible that anti-P2P groups are infiltrating private trackers too (look at Sharky's last experience at TL), but it is true that they're still a lot safer than public ones, and they can't all go down at the same time, can they? And even so, new ones would appear.

slikrapid
12.06.09, 19:43
Although you may remember that MediaDefender, for example, has used questionable, shadowy tactics to acquire "evidence" they "don't need anyway".

they are desperate, scare tactics & takedowns aren't yielding expected results and the money is being spent in large amounts, this can't last too long, imo they are running out of ideas, and filesharers running out of fear :biggrin:



it is true that they're still a lot safer than public ones, and they can't all go down at the same time, can they?

true, but i was referring to private tracker IP logs - they are some sort of evidence but probably not as strong as directly obtained ones

anon
12.06.09, 19:46
they are desperate, scare tactics & takedowns aren't yielding expected results and the money is being spent in large amounts, this can't last too long, imo they are running out of ideas, and filesharers running out of fear :biggrin:

Their stocks were dropped by the floor, remember? They even bought MediaSentry recently :tongue:


true, but i was referring to private tracker IP logs - they are some sort of evidence but probably not as strong as directly obtained ones


Yes, that's right. Admins have to be careful with that.

Kyllyee
14.06.09, 01:40
anon, you signed up for this? From their description of what it is, it seems to open your computer up to the world for others......so I don't see how it stops your IP from spreading....

anon
14.06.09, 01:43
Yes, I signed up, but have yet to receive their e-mail.

Traffic will travel encrypted through other BitBlinder peers before reaching its destination. More info here:
Overview (http://www.bitblinder.com/learn/overview/)

Kyllyee
14.06.09, 18:34
Yes, I signed up, but have yet to receive their e-mail.

Traffic will travel encrypted through other BitBlinder peers before reaching its destination. More info here:
Overview (http://www.bitblinder.com/learn/overview/)

I saw that, but wont your computer be turned into a 'peer' for others to connect through?? If so, then your IP would possibly be associated with some random persons activities...no?

anon
14.06.09, 18:58
If so, then your IP would possibly be associated with some random persons activities...no?

As slikrapid mentioned in post #6. :frown:

James73
20.06.09, 19:35
I got their email yesterday night, I tried the program, it is amazing for browse the web in anonymous mode, but I don't think it will become a good application for torrents. The Bittorrent interface is very poor at the moment...
First I had to change the port numbers and open them manually from my router page to get the green color. I tested 3 adult sites, one of them (emp) worked good, another two failed to connect.
The program is too young, let's wait and see if it will become popular.

anon
20.06.09, 21:07
I didn't get the e-mail yet. Can you post some screens of the program?

James73
20.06.09, 22:30
Have you checked your junk-email folder?

Here we go: this is the interface... the program is very simple: the blue bar shows your credits in "money" (virtual money).

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6381/bb1m.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/bb1m.jpg/)

Clicking on "launch anonymous browser", firefox will automatically open this page:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6761/bb2g.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/bb2g.jpg/)

Here is the torrent interface, it is a bit slower than the normal utorrent of course.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2816/bb3o.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/i/bb3o.jpg/)

anon
20.06.09, 22:32
Have you checked your junk-email folder?

Fastmail doesn't have a spam folder. Thanks for the screenshots! The BT UI is indeed ugly :biggrin:

Renk
20.06.09, 23:22
well, they are just a software company i suppose, trying to get their name/product some attention :frown:

judging by some lawsuits, all the anti-p2p's need is the IP and some kind of a proof that you got connected - what exactly were you doing in the swarm or if you just cheated or something else doesn't concern them much - so if things get bad a good lawyer would be imperative

as for the goal of anonymous sharing with decent speeds (no tor/proxy) and no money trail (no vpn/seedboxes) and IP visible even with encryption of data, i don't really see a safe alternative at the moment :frown:

edit: i guess private tracker sites seem to be the safest option, but if they go down...who knows

I agree. I pointed out this issue, too: http://www.sb-innovation.de/showthread.php?threadid=12232

Maybe the solution would reside in a different direction:
StegoShare (http://stegoshare.sourceforge.net/)
or
OFFSystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owner_free_filing_system)

Or in implementing protocols such as DC
Herbivore (http://www.cs.cornell.edu/people/egs/herbivore/how_it_works.html)


Or a mix of all these solutions....

slikrapid
21.06.09, 00:58
OFFSystem

Example: to replicate a 1 MB mp3 at the receiver's end, you need:

* 3.0 MB transferred data for light users, with small local caches, assigned upload, uptime.
* 1.5 MB transferred data for heavy users, with large local caches, assigned upload, uptime.

looks like a lot of trouble :frown:

StegoShare

you can always say that you even didn't knew about illicit file, embedded into images (it is impossible to prove opposite, you have 100% plausible deniability).

we have seen a lot of impossible to prove cases, yet still they got a anti-p2p verdict or scared users into settlements :rolleyes:

Herbivore

Herbivore ensures that even an adversary that listens to all communication on the network cannot determine the sender or recipient of a message.

well, sometimes its enough to be a part of the communication involving 'illegal' material

Renk
21.06.09, 03:46
OFFSystem

looks like a lot of trouble :frown:



No free lunch... Bandwith is the price for impunity.




Herbivore

well, sometimes its enough to be a part of the communication involving 'illegal' material

Yes, but see with attention the DC protocol: A downloader can't determine from witch uploader he was obtaining some part of a given file. In fact, all the uploaders to witch he was connected, sent to him strictly random data. Suppose that "z" is copyrighted, and that uploader #1 sent to you "r", uploader #2 send to you "k" and uploader #3 sebd to you "m". Witch of them is guilty ?

anon
21.06.09, 19:34
No free lunch... Bandwith is the price for impunity.

That's an issue with almost all anonymous networks. They need a lot of bandwidth because of encryption and increased overhead.