Originally Posted by
pekamp
What if it was actually in neutral territory? In a few german news channels they stated yesterday, that the position where it happened is yet not clear.
Originally Posted by
caballero
It happened about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea, in international waters.
40 is (errors included) still a lot more than 12 (defined by UN), so it should be pretty safe to assume the information about it happening in international waters to be correct
on the other hand, regardless of the location, it is highly unusual to board a ship with armed soldiers from a helicopter - in a normal situation the israeli delegation/crew should have used proper boarding procedures by arranging for a meeting/inspection and then using a ship or a helicopter (and landing with it on the aid ship, not performing some stunts) to arrive & meet the aid ship, as civilized people - instead they chose to invade with a swat team during nighttime as if they were attacking a target using military tactics
Originally Posted by
pekamp
well after seeing the nightvision video of the israeli army, I'm getting a sligthly different view on that.
you might wanna rethink that, looks like the nightvision video is a fake:
1. There is no genuine violence shown in the video
2. It’s not even the right ship.
3. Fake wave motion.
4. Fake infrared
Code:
http://solstudio.web.id/blog/2010/06/idf-video-footage-of-flotilla-attack-is-fake/
i'll add that the israeli swat action looks pretty lame for a highly admired level of military performance they are supposed to have...also, they carried paint-guns? what kind of a ridiculous decision is that?
in addition, what happened to footage from the press people on board the aid ship...let me guess, there is none available, probably for 2 reasons: they didn't know about the boarding attempt until it already happened (same goes for other passengers of the aid ship) and anything they recorded after/during the attack has been seized by israeli attackers (confiscated)
so it is quite possible that we have the following scenario here:
1. aid ship traveling? during the night, unaware of enclosing israeli forces nearby
2. israeli intrusion via helicopter & armed swat team(s) without a previous warning about this action
3. weak attempt to fight the intruders (if there was any resistance at all), intruders shoot & kill
4. israeli forces take control
5. they fake the nightvision videos, plant evidence and fabricate their story to look better in public eyes
Originally Posted by
pekamp
But if these people use sticks to beat up those soldiers... isn't that a kind of suicidal tendency?
exactly, which is why it doesn't make sense
Originally Posted by
pekamp
These are peace activists? wtf?
1. are these real or fabricated videos?
2. are these people on board the aid ship or somewhere else?
3. are these people the aid ship passengers or someone else?
4. freedom of speech
Originally Posted by
C3PO
Either ways, this is arabs' territory not jews'. The jews have nothing to do there
well, to be fair, the land belongs to both (and some others), palestinians and other arabs were a majority there in the past, owning a large majority of the land too, but as years passed by the israeli (or more correctly zionists) used all kinds of methods (from buying to confiscating and expelling) to change this ownership situation, especially after the israeli state was established...during decades of such practice the arabs have mostly moved into surrounding countries and the palestinians, in addition to moving out into surrounding countries (living there similar to homeless people) were ghettoized into the gaza strip & west bank (living there in utter poverty) by the israeli forces
these 2 ghetto areas are under constant surveillance by the israelis and the land grab is continued (using new israeli settlements to take new territory and destroying neighboring palestinian houses with (army) bulldozers, forcing them to move away once again and so on), meaning its the israeli army that has complete unhindered control over these territories
from time to time the israeli military attacks the palestinians, usually using some excuse like hamas attacks - the suspicious thing about it is:
- palestinians have no real army, no real hiding places or logistics routes (the land is intersected with israeli controlled modern roads unavailable to palestinian vehicles for transit, dividing the land into many sections), 0 tanks, 0 heavy artillery, 0 airplanes and yet the israelis never seem to complete their military actions (they get satisfied with a few hundreds of dead palestinians, usually civilians from bombings/shelling/illegal weapons before they retreat...and this gets repeated over and over again)
- all these israeli attacks happen exactly at the time during or close to their national holidays
- these attacks always do palestinians more harm and advance israeli plans or international position
- there are concerns that palestinian government members are financed by the israelis (considering their lifestyle & property) and that palestinian militant organizations have been heavily infiltrated (or even controlled & financed) by the israeli intelligence personnel
- there are many cases of deliberate killings/shootings/harassment of palestinians which then get covered up or excuses get fabricated by the israeli (reasons like the lone kid waved a hand-gun-like lighter so an armed israeli guard with full body armor shielded by his check-point had to kill the kid with a sniper from the check-point tower ) and so on
all of this shows how the israeli side has no intention to be a fair player in this conflict, that it constantly uses & abuses the local palestinian people, fabricates convenient stories as needed and ultimately that they aren't to be trusted - the evidence against them is quite obvious and towering, building up heavily over time, yet, the world has chosen to turn a blind eye to palestinian suffering and israeli hypocrisy for a very long time, allowing for decades of suffering & abuse, virtually spitting on every international human rights declaration and democratic principles they supposedly uphold - this is the real image of country governments worldwide, a sobering cognition to honest citizens who almost cannot believe their eyes at how distorted/hypocritical the world principles in practice/reality actually are
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