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    Trump

    So, Trump won the US presidency. What having someone with no political experience (although with plenty of business cunning) in control of the world's no. 1 superpower will mean for the American people and the world is to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon
    No live streams; such a thing would conflict with secret ballot...
    the camera(s) need only to watch the sealed boxes where votes are put into, so that no one tampers with them during the day

    Not sure about your comment regarding small party reps. If they're desperate for more votes, they would be corrupt in their own favor, but if they're up for sale, wouldn't the "buyer" want to get votes for his party instead?
    it was meant as 'they are barely able to get a candidate or few of their own elected', thus more willing to cooperate with larger party reps who may be routinely fixing the votes and turn a blind eye on such fraudulent activity - naturally in return, they would be awarded extra votes, which translates to more own candidates elected or financially through bribery

    I suppose they just send the rest home.
    so if someone is preparing to fix the scores and wants to handle the volunteer problem, all it takes is to apply two of their own(ed) 'volunteers' earlier than others

    Polls can give a good outline but also say whatever who's behind them wants them to say
    i was thinking professional or internal polls, not meant for the public - these need to be accurate or they would be out of business


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    I think Sanders would have been better as a Democratic candidate. We'll see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d_c
    Biden vs. Trump
    What do you think?
    Evil vs. somewhat lesser Evil

    still waiting for a USA president who is going to cut their ties to freemasons and zionists, which constitute the majority of the deep state - for starters lets say, publicly revealing their identities, kicking them out of leading or advisory positions influencing the USA government, cutting off their funding (for example, the yearly multi billion $ military aid to Israel, multi trillion $ big bank bailouts, FED monopoly over issuing USA debt based currency), etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by anon
    I think Sanders would have been better as a Democratic candidate.
    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appears to be one of the few Democrats who would take a proper attitude at least towards the Corona Plandemic, unlike other Demoncrats


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    Agreed on the military spending. Their budget is huge. Imagine the difference if just 0.1% of it was destined to social assistance programs.
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    i will go with trump again, better than biden xD
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    Looking from the outside it's the choice between someone who talks shit and someone who talks nothing. I'm not sure what's the lesser evel.
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    let's not have a vote then :/
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    Very strong increase in participation, to the benefit of both sides. Maybe this post will be completely obsolete tomorrow, but at time of writing: Ohio -> Trump, North Carolina -> Trump, Florida -> Trump, Georgia -> Trump, Texas ->Trump (not official final results but very plausible projections). So it seems in my opinion Trump is going to win the race again, except maybe if Biden is able to get Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona without losing any state where H.C. won in 2016. Moreover in that case a perfectly even 269/269 result is not completely inconceivable (the House of Representative will chose the President in that case, leading to the shortest possible victory for Biden). Has such a configuration ever occurred before in history?

    A Trump victory could be (paradoxically) better for keeping the US "united", at least in a short term perspective. A (short) Biden's victory would lead to chaotic situations, with torrents of enraged protests on behalf of Trump, popular upraising from both sides in various states, etc. Biden will be much more respectful of the electoral process in case of defeat I think. But the forces acting in favor of political polarization will remain. And the demography will continue to act. The conservative are keeping Texas probably for the penultimate time. After that, things are going to be very hard for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renk View Post
    Maybe this post will be completely obsolete tomorrow
    Agreed Let's wait at least one day. Also, indirect elections mean we shouldn't treat current results as set in stone (even though they'll provide a very solid hint).

    A Trump victory could be (paradoxically) better for keeping the US "united", at least in a short term perspective. A (short) Biden's victory would lead to chaotic situations, with torrents of enraged protests on behalf of Trump, popular upraising from both sides in various states, etc. Biden will be much more respectful of the electoral process in case of defeat I think.
    True to some extent, but still a horrible reason to vote for one candidate over the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    Agreed Let's wait at least one day.
    I could not resist to take some risks. There is very few fun to wait until things become completely sure before allowing himself to attempt any forecasting.


    Also, indirect elections mean we shouldn't treat current results as set in stone
    Correct I think, but it is the case in most (all?) voting systems (although indirect ones, particularly those with "winner takes all" kind of rules and gerrymandering practices are amplifying that a lot): Discrepancy between the election results and the popular vote, absence of transitivity (Smith could be preferred to Johnson, and Johnson to Williams, and in the same time Williams preferred to Smith). Also, many people don't vote along their sole own preferences or interests, but take into account what they think other voters will choose. This kind of feedback tends to increase instability and to make the election results "biaised" as they are no more the true aggregation of the voter's own preference, rapidly leading to voter's dissatisfaction, frustration and cynicism... It's very difficult to define a voting system avoiding these risks.


    but still a horrible reason to vote for one candidate over the other.
    True, but I never said nor even though that. It's just a sad fact that, when you are in position to not respect the rules of the game without risking anything, you tend to win more easily (until the game itself get destroyed and everyone loses -but even in that case not mainly you).



    Quote Originally Posted by slikrapid View Post
    Evil vs. somewhat lesser Evil
    Same here but not exactly in the same order: More "lesser evil vs evil".

    I'm able to understand your position about "zionism" (although I appreciate the Jewish culture very much) but in USA the most "zionist" of all are the "new
    born evangelical christians" who are 95% voting for Trump whom they consider almost as God's envoy on Earth. Trump step son is a true zionist, and Trump chose to give him potilical power and he entrusted him with diplomatic missions. Moreover Obama had bad relationship with the (zionist) Netaniahu.

    Any discussion about Freemasons is more complicated because first of all being a Freemason is confidential, and secondly because there are many groups of Freemasons, far from agreeing on everything, but generally explaining nowadays they promote freedom of speech and are fighting racism.



    As for the "Deep State", if it exists and so as it has then prevented Trump from taking full power like did Palpatin during the fall of the Republic, it is really a "lesser evil", too.



    Concerning R.F.K., I often appreciate to read what he says and don't like what Bill Gates did in India, but concerning vaccine, supportting the opinion that the virus Sars-Cov-2 was created/invented at some deepstate/freemassons/illuminati instigation in order to inject nanites in peoples's body in order to control them, seems really absurd to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renk
    in USA the most "zionist" of all are the "new born evangelical christians"
    these christians are foolishly supporting zionists (whose aim is to prepare the arrival of the Antichrist), thus directly working against injunctions of their own scripture (The Bible)

    Trump step son is a true zionist, and Trump chose to give him potilical power and he entrusted him with diplomatic missions.
    you mean his son-in-law Kushner
    this may be explained as a pragmatic move, forming an alliance with powers that have significant influence in USA (similar to intermarrying royal families of the past)

    Obama had bad relationship with the (zionist) Netaniahu.
    perhaps with the zionist right-wing (nationalists), but not with zionist left-wing (communists), both of which work together

    there are many groups of Freemasons, far from agreeing on everything, but generally explaining nowadays they promote freedom of speech and are fighting racism.
    masonry is the enemy of humanity, actively working on very similar goals as zionists, all of them may be considered as main agents of evil in the world - these people support(ed) world wars, depopulation, mass murder, genocide, raping and pillaging, communist revolutions, dictatorships and all kinds of atrocities around the world

    As for the "Deep State", if it exists ... it is really a "lesser evil", too.
    even mainstream media occasionally talks about the deep state
    they represent the local and/or global shadow government, preparing and waiting for their opportunity to establish a new world order, a one world religion and a one world government

    supportting the opinion that the virus Sars-Cov-2 was created/invented at some deepstate/freemassons/illuminati instigation in order to inject nanites in peoples's body in order to control them, seems really absurd to me.
    it would be naive to think that such unscrupulous power hungry people with globalist world dominance aspirations would shy away from researching or using biological warfare to reach their goals

    in this sense you can check out the following:

    PLANDEMIC – INDOCTORNATION - The Documentary



    Klaus Schwab & His Great Fascist Reset

    Code:
    https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/12/klaus-schwab-his-great-fascist-reset/


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