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    Quote Originally Posted by slikrapid View Post
    @Blocker:

    ...... who in their right mind shows pr0n to children or mentally impaired adults? average adults can handle it (even the addictions & co.).....
    I meant something different with child pornography : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography

    Similar applies for teen porn , etc.
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    who is us?
    Present people

    as the society opens up to some forms of weirdness, 'the new stuff' eventually gets somewhat boring and retro becomes more interesting again
    I don't think retro will ever be back in style. Retro would be normal but the situation always gets worse, not better.

    who is everybody?
    In porn industry this is a must. We exclude here specific areas of porn.

    shaving or trimming?
    Bald, man, bald.

    'if it's there it is for a purpose' is accurate, but it applies to both physical parts (like pubic hair) & non-physical things: actions (like shaving) & thoughts & events and everything else (incl. that which you cannot imagine yourself doing or that which you are strongly against, say, like pr0n addiction)
    So... you are saying it's fate? That you should embrace whatever stupid thought with joy.

    so lets say that the bikini is the reason for shaving pubes in the west - whats the reason for inventing the bikini? 'to boldly go where no previous swimsuit has gone before' - a novelty, a trend
    A tred, yes but one that made hair trimming a must. Think of a girl with a skimpy bikini that has a full bush, how would that look?

    so i don't really see the problem here, thus, still nothing to worry about!
    Everythink we, our parents, grand-parents thought was normal.

    the original intention of the movie creator is one thing, what you learn from it is another, what someone else learns is yet another,...
    You seem to be missing a point a here: not everyone is ready to learn something from an experience like that.

    and everything is art, no matter how insignificant or banal it seems - mainstream definitions of art obscure that simple fact... which means pr0n is art too
    Agreed but porn is a no-brainer. Every fool can make it.

    life consists of role-playing, so does acting in a movie (or pr0n), the latter are staged, acted & directed, but to what extent does that apply to the former?
    Forced role-playing? Slaves maybe.

    likewise, addiction continues when the conditions for it (to continue) are met
    likewise, addiction ends when the conditions for it (to end) are met
    the same applies to any & every event
    So, while conditions are met it is pointless to resist?
    You remember several years ago the situation with WoW gamers? Most of the, due to these factors, lost their jobs, spouses and failed education.

    In all honesty, hair is nasty.
    Agreed but in my opinion, everything is prettier with hair than without. Just my 2 cents.
    It's harder to maintain and clean it but also worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blocker
    I meant something different
    but you do realize that such extreme actions/events/behavior were inevitable due to the nature of reality, which means that if there is a practically or theoretically doable/imaginable action, this action will happen numerous times involving different persons and it will happen in a wide range of varieties, from light to hard to extreme - also, any of it happens only if the conditions allow it to happen, if they are ready-to-happen (like in an ignorant society, where the occurrence is higher if the level of ignorance is also higher, since that allows for a higher number of those 'ready' to exercise their low level of understanding)

    how is this beneficial? if none of it happened, you'd have nothing to learn from it, you wouldn't even notice it, you wouldn't get a chance to re-examine your own viewpoints on it and they even made you think about seemingly unrelated things like the nature of reality

    the nature of reality is 'what it is', 'as it is' - no one can change that, its not supposed to be changed, its supposed to be understood and lived according to - currently we are all living according to what we think we know (subjectively), which is not the same as what really is (objectively) - as the former comes closer to the latter, so the level of understanding rises, so the amount of ignorant actions/events/behavior decreases - which is obviously a beneficial outcome and everything that is a part of this process cannot be anything other than beneficial (it can only be non-beneficial if you currently cannot quite understand this, thus mislabeling it as such)

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    who is us?
    what i meant by this was: there are many others (majority) who don't, all of them also people 'of the present', unless you define kink in an extremely wide/inclusive way (something like, lets say... everything is kink )

    but the situation always gets worse, not better.
    remember the waves & the cycles, they go up & down, round & around:
    - before there is an up, there must be a down
    - before there is a down, there must be an up
    - none of them solely lasts into infinity, they exchange (into infinity)

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    who is everybody?
    ok, i thought you meant everybody outside of pr0n too

    So... you are saying it's fate? That you should embrace whatever stupid thought with joy.
    maybe its destiny (notice an analogy: destination of a journey)
    there are no 'stupid thoughts' either, they are there for a purpose/reason, your task is to understand them (not every single one, since this is physically/mentally impossible, but also not necessary since an adequate general understanding needs no excessive amount of details, you know what they say about details... ) and their purpose, which you eventually will, but only when you become ready-to-understand, when the conditions for the understanding are met (more correctly: for a better understanding than the current one)

    'embrace whatever thought with joy' - why not? these thoughts tell you something about yourself and your current situation, they are your thoughts, they develop as you travel, they adapt to whatever you learn and reflect that new understanding - embracing reality 'as it is' is better than fighting some imaginary enemy (who supposedly gives you stupid thoughts)

    Everythink we, our parents, grand-parents thought was normal.
    exactly! 'you thought' - and now the events around you show that 'what is normal' can change through such a simple item as a bikini and they challenge you to understand how this can happen, to reexamine your previous thoughts/beliefs on 'what is normal' and 'how things work'

    not everyone is ready to learn something from an experience like that.
    you're always ready to learn something, it just might not be that what 'you think you will' or what 'you think you can'
    also, pr0n was just an example of an experience - there are plenty of other experiences out there to learn from

    Agreed but porn is a no-brainer. Every fool can make it.
    is it? maybe low budget amateur pr0n with inexperienced personnel - but that applies to any other form of entertainment or art as well

    Forced role-playing? Slaves maybe.
    in pr0n? harsh, yes, but they do get paid (rather good too) and it involves consenting adults (at least to an extent)
    in life? forced by birth, yes, but they do get paid (with experiences/understanding/journey/discovery) and it involves consenting adults (who are still learning/discovering what that actually means)

    So, while conditions are met it is pointless to resist?
    your physical & mental actions are also a part of these conditions, they all count towards the outcome
    whatever you do, resist something or accept something or something else, it is pointless to resist the consequences, the outcome, the journey, the understanding that comes with it (as said before, it is post-factum anyways), or more correctly: it is pointless to think you can resist the outcome and whatever comes with it, it is much better to observe & conclude as it is happening

    a practical example:
    someone dies and their parents cannot accept the fact that it happened so they grieve endlessly and ruin their future so to speak - eventually they do accept the fact and finally move on to other challenges - could they have acted differently?
    - (theory) yes, if they had a better understanding at the time
    - (practice) no, since time proved the latter (ie. they really didn't have a better understanding at the time)

    if you can understand this, then you realize that whatever happened in the past had to happen that way (since everybody acted according to their own level), which (almost) instantly removes any psychological burden of endless questioning of own past actions (if only i was..., if only i hadn't..., i could have..., if only i didn't do this or that..., they could have..., if only they didn't do this or that...) - i think it is pretty obvious how huge the benefits of such an understanding really are and how much easier it is to face future challenges without the aforementioned baggage of illusions

    Quote Originally Posted by VA
    In all honesty, hair is nasty.
    Agreed
    funny though, i'm pretty certain you both don't have such an issue with some other hair on your bodies, like hair on your head or maybe eyelashes or eyebrows,...


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    Addiction is everywhere. The general population is so used to cell phones, tables, computers that they don't even concieve life without these gadgets.
    I was looking today at celebritites before and after they applied makeup. Now it is true that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder but women, feel compelled to applie massive ammounts of makeup just to appear attractive where, in reality, they all are pretty.

    Based on this, why do women do this? I've known people that got married with women not so pretty to me, but to them they were exquisite.
    Food, people, nature nothing is natural anymore.
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    Not all women are pretty. It's also clear to me you're not a woman
    Women get judged far more on appearance than men.
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    But, as I said, every man sees beauty in his own eyes. Beauty is not defined as a general concept.
    What I find pretty, you, others might find hiddeous. Correct?
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    @Master Razor:

    Addiction is everywhere. The general population is so used to cell phones, tables, computers that they don't even concieve life without these gadgets.
    it is said that history repeats itself - people of the current (IT?) era experience similar things as generations before them did in some other era (industrial age, middle ages, early civilizations,...), they too were addicted to physical & non-physical things of that particular time, they too had similar problems/thoughts/desires/questions/..., etc.

    Now it is true that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder
    subjective beauty - depends on the beholder, on the beholders idea of 'what is beautiful' (aka individual/subjective view or opinion)
    societal beauty - is also subjective, depends on the societal idea of 'what is beautiful' (aka societal norm)
    scientific beauty - is also subjective, depends on the scientific idea of 'what is beautiful' (aka scientific theory or law)
    any other group's beauty - same as above (example: postmodernist idea of beauty)
    ...
    objective beauty - does not depend on the beholder (it is what it is), yet applies to any & every beholder (their subjective views are derived from the objective one, from the actual object of their observation)

    remember that story about blind men and the elephant? well, the elephant represents objective beauty, men represent subjective views, their blindness represents inability to fully comprehend the objective (blind to every aspect of the objective other than their own view)

    notice another analogy: 'the objective' also means 'the goal', the goal is to understand (what) the goal (is), the objective is to understand the objective (view)

    just like the aforementioned example of beauty, the same applies to other concepts like love, morality, theory/practice..., it even applies to physical objects (they are that what your senses tell you, a subjective image, a subjective idea of what a physical object is), it even applies to your own person (you are that what your senses tell you, a subjective image, a subjective idea of what you are), guess it might apply to everything you may encounter, ever!

    women, feel compelled to applie massive ammounts of makeup just to appear attractive where, in reality, they all are pretty. why do women do this?
    they think that they need to do it
    they think it is the right thing to do
    they want to do it (same as: they think that this is what they want)
    it corresponds to their subjective idea of what to do
    applies to anything women or men or anyone else does

    Food, people, nature nothing is natural anymore.
    it all changes according to the new conditions, in an industrial age you can expect industrial (as well as pre-industrial as well as hints of post-industrial) food, people & nature, 'to each age their own' (as in: 'to each their own')

    the definition of 'natural' is not 'nature without people' (theory), but 'nature with people' (practice), not 'environment without living beings' (theory), but 'environment with living beings' (practice) - also, regardless of the definition applied or any of their particular 'states of existence', they still must fit within the 'nature of reality' - so essentially, everything you may encounter or do or dream about or think about is in reality very much natural or a natural event

    the so-called man-made things were also made from whatever was found in nature (resources), these things were made by nature-dwelling natural beings (men/humans), under such circumstances (natural laws, conditions, era) that made them possible, which makes them natural (the so-called 'artificial' is also natural, merely man-made)

    besides, when we say 'not natural' or 'unnatural', it doesn't really mean 'something impossible', it often means something uncommon or unexpected or inconvenient or strange, something deviating more or less from what we expect or define as 'natural', ie. the most unnatural things are just farther (than some others) from your own definition of natural and your own definition is subjective, thus also more or less farther from what objectively IS


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    I found this interesting list:

    300+ Mind Expanding Documentaries 300+ Mind Expanding Documentaries
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    @the 300 site (About Us):

    We are a community of artists and musicians, activists and healers, practitioners and seekers dedicated to contributing everything we possibly can to the massive shift in consciousness that is presently taking place on planet Earth.
    it may be a massive shift in 'being interested in some new things, compared to yesterday's interests', but this is nothing particularly new or special because history repeats itself and global topics emerge and change regularly
    massive data does not mean massive advancement, it only means... massive data
    what you can pick up from that data is another story and you will be able to pick up only as much as you can carry, as much as you are able to pick up, as much as you are ready to understand

    At the root level, beyond empathy and compassion, we believe that every sentient being simply desires two things: Happiness, and Freedom.
    how about: understanding what that being IS and whats the purpose/reason for its existence?
    how about: becoming happy by knowing the truth
    how about: becoming free from ignorance of your own being's essence?
    what about other, so-called non-sentient beings?

    we recognize that in order to fully liberate ourselves, we must first teach others how to liberate themselves, for until we do, whether we like it or not, that tethered, polarized mass of people is our slavery.
    how can you teach someone about something you didn't experience for yourself?
    that mass of people are your fellow travelers, on the same kind of journey as yourself, role-playing as they travel - it is this role-playing that we learn from, be it from our roles or someone else's, be it from current roles or past ones, be it from sentient or non-sentient beings, etc. - its not slavery, its a system of learning, a biological school if you will, 'hidden' in plain sight

    the truth, in its many forms, can truly set a person free, helping to release them from the chains of conventional thinking and empowering them to think and act for themselves.
    the truth can set you free from everything other than itself, so it better be the objective truth then
    hmm, the ignorance can set you free from everything other than itself too, could be why it is said that 'ignorance is bliss' (hopefully no one comments on this to spoil the bliss, eh? on the other hand, the truth is a bit trickier to spoil, no? maybe if you do a chomsky or a gore on it hehe)

    We believe that the truth is divided among us, like pieces to a puzzle, and that only when we come together, in communion, are we able to reveal it, and understand it.
    people all over the world are already together (the planet, the universe, the interconnectedness)
    if you want to compare the truth to a (jigsaw) puzzle, then there is an individual puzzle for everyone and they collect various pieces as they travel (as they live) - their pieces are individual and cannot fit into someone else's puzzle, even though its the same image embedded within (same objective truth for everyone) - think of it as one image copy/pasted onto numerous boards, each board cut with a different pattern producing unique sets of pieces - subjective truth is a partially completed puzzle, objective truth is a full completion


    @the 300 site (What does "Collectively Conscious" mean?):


    They say that two minds are better than one. Well, how about 10,000 minds? Or a million minds? The internet IS the technological manifestation of the collective mind of humanity. Though presently very messy, and in many corners very dark, we believe it has the potential to unite the knowledge, the wisdom, and the intelligence of all men, women, and children who inhabit the Earth. If we are to awaken, it will only be as one, when in cooperation with one another. For together we become ॐ Collectively Conscious ॐ.
    only if you can add minds, if minds have the same sign (+) and if you define better as 'quantitatively more',... all of which have certain glaring issues

    technological/biological/... manifestations serve to tell a story about this reality we live in, you're supposed to learn how to read/hear/sense it in order to understand it - technological imitations are by definition inferior to the originals, any attempt to prove otherwise will only end up proving how you can't beat the original at what they are supposed to do and you may even prove that imitations are also exactly that what they are supposed to be (imitations/inferior hehe)

    if we are to awaken, it will only be one by one, as a result of our journeys, from partial to full awareness, full awareness representing the limit defined by what we truly are

    and we are already conscious (i'm conscious or consciously aware of my existence, therefore i am - i think, therefore i think i am), at least with partial awareness/consciousness


    @the 300 site (Hive Mind Philosophy):
    (quotes from various writers/researchers)


    according to the visionaries who predict a world-spanning intelligence, this is just the beginning. They tell us that a radical human transformation has begun, one that will hook ‘the billions of minds of humanity together into a single system
    there is already intelligence in everything around us or within us, no need to re-invent some new age nu-intelligence

    everything is becoming connected to everything else. Not only everything in the present moment, but all past moments as well, are being drawn, compressed, squeezed towards the production of the transcendental object at the end of time. Which is nothing less than all time, all space, shrunk down to an atomic dimension and handed back to us, do you see?
    it was always interconnected
    big crunch is just as silly as it sounds, don't you see?

    “There is an urgent need to ensure that our global brain is sane rather than insane.
    umm, what?

    We can look at cell phones and instant messaging already as a form of telepathy.
    mkay (why not ordinary speech too? oh i know, its not a novelty)

    It is not another incarnation of communism where nobody has any private property. A well synchronized group will make sure that its members each live at a comparable level of comfort with the physical possessions necessary to meet the current standard of living.
    actually, that sounds exactly like a more standardized/uniform version of communism, oops

    their perception equipment enables them to feel with another person – ‘be them’.

    Jesus Christ’s precept ‘thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself’
    feeling is not the same as being, it is a part of one being's experience - the same applies to 'think with another person'
    that other quote means love thy neighbor's essence, for it is the same as yours (whether your neighbor may be human/animal/plant/matter)

    we are each a divine perceiver, or as Ibn al-Arabi understood it, we will discover that our souls are the sense organs of the Divine.
    nice, but does the divine need partially sentient/sensitive organs?

    The Uniter is going to be born here and it is going to come in plenty. It is not going to be only one human being but many.

    “The next Buddha will not take the form of an individual. The next Buddha will take the form of a community; a community practicing understanding and loving kindness, a community practicing mindful living. This may be the most important thing we can do for the survival of the Earth.
    that doesn't make any sense - even with a highly advanced individual such as the buddha, not that many of his close associates/disciples gained his level of enlightenment and i'm not aware of any huge/wide shift happening during his times (other than buddhism or his legacy) - so this smells like some organization/community playing the handlers, pretending to be advanced and exploiting gullible followers

    A child plays and develops his or her gifts, but doesn’t apply them toward their true purpose yet.
    that is their true purpose (for that particular period of time), to be developed via playing, in order for the child to be able to adequately participate in this world as an adult later on


    Quote Originally Posted by cowspiracy docu
    “one single industry destroying the planet more than any other.” According to the trailer, this industry is responsible for global warming, water shortages, methane emissions, species extinction, and the ocean dead zones. “Cowspiracy” places the blame on livestock production.
    global warming = false
    water shortages = industrial over-exploitation or mismanagement, grass-fed livestock doesn't need much water and it gets recycled anyways
    methane emissions = irrelevant
    species extinction = really?
    ocean dead zones = livestock polluting oceans? you mean chemically laden fertilizers/pesticides/herbicides/gmo's/pharmaceuticals/...

    Quote Originally Posted by cowspiracy docu promoters
    This documentary will be as eye-opening as “Blackfish” and as inspiring as “An Inconvenient Truth
    inconvenient truth by al gore is nonsense
    blackfish seems to be an inflated story (check imdb comments on that)

    a critique of this docu:

    Code:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/la-chefs-movie-review-cowspiracy-a-pile-of-imitation-vegan-bs


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Razor View Post
    Aesop's Fables
    A crow was sitting on a tree, doing nothing all day. A small rabbit saw the crow and asked, "Can I also sit like you and do nothing all day?"

    The crow answered, "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the crow, and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.

    Moral: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up.

    ************************
    A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy." "Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. They're packed with nutrients."

    The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that it actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree.

    The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch.

    Finally after a fourth night, there he was proudly perched at the top of the tree. Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree.

    Moral: Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.

    ************************
    A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy.

    A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!

    Moral:
    1) Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy.
    2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.
    3) When you're in deep shit, keep your mouth shut!
    "Come visit sometime, okay? We'll always be here for you. We... we all love you."
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    did a quick run-through the Aesop fables' morals-only:

    note:
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    .Appearances are deceptive
    - thus look for the essence
    .One good turn deserves another
    - it hopes or expects another (results may vary though)
    .It is best to prepare for the days of necessity
    - try not to over-prepare
    .He that finds discontentment in one place is not likely to find happiness in another
    - be happy/content with what you had/have/will have
    .A man is known by the company he keeps
    - they do influence each other
    .Fine clothes may disguise, but silly words will disclose a fool
    - still, one needs to be able to recognize a fool
    .* Never trust your enemy
    - trust that he will be your enemy?
    .-Revenge will hurt the avenger-
    - depends on the situation
    .He that is neither one thing nor the other has no friends
    - unless there's a third thing
    .Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends
    - true, but friendship only goes so far
    .Evil wishes, like chickens, come home to roost-
    - karma
    .Evil tendencies are shown in early life
    - depends, people change, how early?
    .Do not attempt too much at once
    - but do not be too stubborn to have to finish everything
    .-One man's pleasure may be another's pain-
    - some may like the pain, some cannot be avoided, this may be understood as subjective views too
    .Whatever you do, do with all your might
    - focus on your activities?
    .Nature exceeds nurture
    - isn't nature a form of nurture?
    .Necessity is the mother of invention
    - the opposite happens quite often too, both may be viewed as necessities (to act upon the want/need/impulse)
    .Little by little does the trick
    - to each situation its own
    .-Not everything you see is what it appears to be-
    - everything is what it appears to be, until you get a different perspective (then it appears different), subjective views
    .No one can be a friend if you know not whether to trust or distrust him
    - how many tests takes to earn trust?
    .Ah, people often grudge others what they cannot enjoy themselves
    - the opposite applies too
    .It is easy to kick a man that is down
    - is he your enemy?
    .Better starve free than be a fat slave
    - how about a fat slave trying to become free and a starving free-man trying to get food, win-win?
    .Little friends may prove great friends
    - expect the unexpected?
    .We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction
    - gotta give something...
    .Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
    - ok, but don't expect everyone to follow that advice
    .Gossips are to be seen and not heard
    - sure, but check your eyesight too
    .Birds of a feather flock together
    - think of it more widely, pieces of a puzzle fit together, compatible ones fit together
    .You can't please everybody
    - you don't need to either
    .United we stand, divided we fall
    - ok, but what about the goal/cause, also: fall = fall apart
    .Misery loves company
    - so does the opposite
    .Look before you leap
    - think before you speak (pun or no pun or both a the same time?)
    .It is easy to despise what you cannot get
    - and what you cannot understand too
    .A needy thief steals more than one who enjoys plenty
    - how about a greedy thief? think wall-street
    .Look before you leap
    - dupe!
    .Let well enough alone
    - can you discern what is 'well enough'?
    .Better no rule than cruel rule
    - moderation ftw?
    .Greed oft o'er reaches itself
    - only often?
    .Plodding wins the race
    - depends on the opponent
    .There is always someone worse off than yourself
    - dupe!
    .He that has many friends, has no friends
    - but he has a lot of potential friends
    .We often despise what is most useful to us
    - we are often ignorant
    .Nothing escapes the master's eye
    - depends on the master
    .He laughs best that laughs last
    - are you sure he laughed last?
    .The gods help them that help themselves
    - proactiveness is fine but the results may vary
    .A man may smile yet be a villain
    - dupe, appearances
    .If you allow men to use you for your own purposes, they will use you for theirs
    - they could have common goals
    .The hero is brave in deeds as well as words
    - deeds speak louder than words
    .It is not only fine feathers that make fine birds
    - how fine do you need them to be?
    .If you must revile your neighbor, Make certain first that he cannot reach you
    - what about the brave hero?
    .We had better bear our troubles bravely than try to escape them
    - sometimes you cannot escape them
    .Try before you trust
    - dupe!
    .Little friends may prove great friends
    - dupe!
    .Even the wildest can be tamed by love
    - unless they destroy themselves before that
    .It sometimes happens that one man has all the toil, and another all the profit
    - and vice versa, subjective views
    .You may share the labours of the great, but you will not share the spoil
    - depends on how great they are (in terms of both strength & honor)
    .Benefits bestowed upon the evil-disposed increase their means of injuring you
    - perhaps it takes a lesson to realize/notice it, perhaps there is no better alternative
    .Some men can blow hot and blow cold with the same breath
    - you cannot please everyone? subjective views
    .Please all, and you will please none
    - wasn't that impossible (a few fables away) -but, if all had the objective view, all would be pleased, so it is possible afterall
    .Honesty is the best policy
    - honesty to oneself is a good start
    .Do not count your chickens before they are hatched
    - do not expect too much or over-extend yourself
    .Try to please all and you end by pleasing none
    - dupe!
    .The true value of money is not in its possession but in its use
    - don't you have to possess it first, before any usage? don't you acquire other possessions with its usage? one thing substitutes another
    .Those who pretend to be what they are not, sooner or later, find themselves in deep water
    - are you sure the non-pretenders actually know who they are?
    .The best intentions will not always ensure success
    - don't expect too much
    .Every truth has two sides
    - for a sole observer - for many, it has as many sides as there are observers - and only one objective side
    .Enemies promises were made to be broken
    - another common one today: promises were made to be broken, also: dupe!
    .He who plays a trick must be prepared to take a joke
    - how about if it is a non-trick or if you don't even play it, still gotta be prepared?
    .The memory of a good deed lives
    - some have bad memory, some live on past deeds
    .Trouble comes from the direction we least expect it
    - so expect the unexpected - or don't worry about troubles in the first place
    .Those who suffer most cry out the least
    - only if they are used to keeping it inside - also, tell that to a 'crybaby'
    .Fine feathers don't make fine birds
    - dupe!
    .Greatness carries its own penalties
    - great ideas, great responsibility, great sacrifices, great attention, great deeds, great... - oh wait, greatness is its own penalty! now try the opposite to notice the same effect
    .Every man should be content to mind his own business
    - ok, but depends on the situation
    .One good turn deserves another
    - dupe!
    .It is useless attacking the insensible
    - what if they are attacking you?
    .There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth
    - those who usually speak the truth can never lie? how about paying attention to what is said instead?
    .A liar deceives no one but himself
    - same goes for the truth-speaker (thinks he knows the truth)
    .Evil companions bring more hurt than profit
    - what if you're evil too, and birds of a feather...
    .Fair weather friends are not worth much
    - don't expect too much
    .Every tale is not to be believed
    - nice one, your tales/fables too, aesop?
    .Every man for himself
    - and interconnected they travel (or: no man is an island)
    .Quality is better than quantity
    - ok, but depends on the situation
    .It is easy to be brave from a safe distance
    - sometimes safe distance is a better choice
    .Appearances are deceptive
    - dupe!
    .No gratitude from the wicked
    - dupe!



    Moral: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up.
    doing nothing is impossible, doing things of little usefulness could be more like it
    the further you are from those sitting up, the less you know about them & their activities

    Moral: Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.
    but in a system built on BS (BS-ing others & oneself), he who BS's the most sits on top!
    which is nicely observable in the kind of leaders & major organizations we have throughout the world

    1) Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy.
    2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.
    3) When you're in deep shit, keep your mouth shut!
    i get a feeling that all these are some kind of nu-fables as they seem to be full of sh*t (words)


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    global warming = false
    What is your argument or fact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blocker
    What is your argument or fact?
    we had several (lengthy) discussions about that during the time SealLion was active in the political/news section a few years back

    besides, what does common sense tell you? scare tactics is being used over and over again to push certain legislation and new mainstream paradigms - we have all witnessed it with RIAA & co. regarding filesharing, political corruption is witnessed daily, history repeats itself,... yet somehow we still believe how these are just some localized incidents or mistakes or flukes, even though it is (and has been) happening all across the board in every area of human activity (from science, religion, ideologies up to their applied examples or interpretations)

    so in this case:
    - global warming = false (it means man-made global warming, not to be confused with natural temperature fluctuations)
    - greenhouse effect = good (keeps the planet warm)
    - CO2 = good (plants 'breathe' it)
    - methane = irrelevant (cows = good!)
    - water vapor = very relevant, blame the oceans!
    - 'hockey stick' = false - CO2 increase comes after a temperature increase, not vice versa as al gore wants you to believe! not to mention it comes a few 100's of years later lol
    - human-caused or man-made atmospheric CO2 influx = minuscule (under 5% per year)
    - environmental care = good (moderation ftw)
    - natural cycles & fluctuating values = good (remember the waves)

    btw. nowadays a more ambiguous term 'global climate change or climate change' is being used instead of 'global warming', since it is easier to support it: any change in the measured parameters (and they fluctuate constantly via natural rhythms) supports climate change! lol

    and what does this tell us: that ignorance (of the leaders & the voter majority) has quite a potential to make all of our lives more difficult by blindly trying to find some (imaginary) danger to obsess about - until they become ready to change their current subjective views on this and other similar topics, expect the situation to continue, expect opposing camps, dualistic struggle and other ways of reflecting the natural flow (of things)



    Quote Originally Posted by http://mitosyfraudes.org/Ingles/Warm.html
    The man-made global warming hypothesis is far from being confirmed by observations, many of which suggest that it is false. Environmental daydreamers try to make it seem axiomatic that imaginary dangers of this warming should be remedied without waiting for proof. In fact, they ask that the scientific uncertainty should become a basis for worldwide regulation, which may enormously burden the people of the world, especially in developing countries. F.B. Cross, pro-fessor of business regulation at the University of Texas, warned that "the precautionary principle is deeply perverse in its implications for the environment and hurnan welfare." 94 To fulfil their dreams, however, environmentalists are ready to pay any costs: to impoverish entire nations and thus endanger the environment; to destroy the industry created by the toil and sweat of their forefathers: and to strangle our civilization. It is astonishing how easily and credulously a large part of society, exposed to concentrated media manipulation, has accepted the global warming mythology. One can understand the psychological and social reasons for this acceptance. However, the actions of the United Nations Organization and many governments, leading the Earth’s community into an economic and civilizational disaster, on the ground of a wanton specter, do not seem responsible. Is it perhaps too much to ask politicians to act reasonably, instead of for selfish, short-term interests?
    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.john-daly.com/guests/jet.htm
    check the links section for more info


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

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