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    Anti-throttle

    My ISP has had a network traffic management in place for a long time. For download it is somehow transparent (if you pass their peak time limit they cut your speed down) and I have no problems with it. But recently I notice that their UPLOAD throttle is quite annoying. During certain time of the day, I could not get any near to my upload line speed! I tried the encryption/uTP settings in uTorrent but it doesn't have any effect. It looks to me they use some intelligent methods to recognise the traffic patterns and then decide to throttle it or not.

    There is so much information on p2p traffic shaping on the internet, so I wonder any experts here can point out a few technical papers that are relevant to my problem? Or advise if there are any effective ways of anti-throttling? Many thanks in anticipation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjs View Post
    I tried the encryption/uTP settings in uTorrent
    Does this mean you've tried bt.transp_disposition=10?
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    I have been using 15 - it should be quite a while ago after I read quite a lot discussions on it. Now I changed it to 10 as you suggested, but no immediate improvement. I will give it a go for a little longer to see what happens.

    Assuming your theory is right, perhaps I should set it as 14 as my ISP doesn't play the dirty tricks on downloading. Actually their download policy is very fair to me: a simple limit and if you are over it then your speed is cut.

    # 1 – allows uTorrent to attempt outgoing TCP connections
    # 2 – allows uTorrent to attempt outgoing uTP connections
    # 4 – allows uTorrent to accept incoming TCP connections
    # 8 – allows uTorrent to accept incoming uTP connections
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjs View Post
    Assuming your theory is right, perhaps I should set it as 14 as my ISP doesn't play the dirty tricks on downloading. ...

    # 1 – allows uTorrent to attempt outgoing TCP connections
    # 2 – allows uTorrent to attempt outgoing uTP connections
    # 4 – allows uTorrent to accept incoming TCP connections
    # 8 – allows uTorrent to accept incoming uTP connections
    Outgoing connections do not equal upload
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    i have the same problem except they don't use constant p2p throttling they limit download at about 4mb/s after midnight and something like 6kbps before that ..when im using a vpn i instantly get over 10mbps

    a temporary free solution for you would be using this Swedish vpn provider https://www.relakks.com/mypages/trial/ its quite fast but you should be careful using it on a valuable tracker ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by n4overclock View Post
    a temporary free solution for you would be using this Swedish vpn provider https://www.relakks.com/mypages/trial/ its quite fast but you should be careful using it on a valuable tracker ..
    Does it work right? Last time I used their trial service it disconnected regularly.
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    i have around 70 ms ping to their gateway server and it work wonders.. the only problem i had once is it almost got me banned from btn so now i only use it at rush hours ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    Outgoing connections do not equal upload
    Oh, I see what you mean. :)
    It seems allowing uTP only doesn't help in my case. Actually even by allowing both TCP and uTP, my traffic is mostly from uTP connection - I guess uTorrent prioritise uTP over TCP and perhaps most uTorrent users with a slightly newish version would end up with more uTP traffics.

    @n4overclock, thanks for the advice. I will give it a go. But I am a little worried that the constant country/IP changes may cause problems for some trackers.
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    your best free bet fighting this is deluge using socks v5 on dht and peers only not the tracker.... i don't have time to make a tutorial about this but it got me around 8mbps up from around 7 kbs DL when i was testing on one of asiatorrents
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    SOCKS proxies are nice, the problem is they make you unconnectable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    SOCKS proxies are nice, the problem is they make you unconnectable.
    im using my real ip for browsing and announcing to the the tracker but the peer connection and dht network goes trough the proxy it some how shows connectable on the peer list for the tracker..

    ---------- Post added at 05:15 ---------- Previous post was at 03:29 ----------

    encryption enabled (not forced) socks5 ON



    encryption enabled (not forced) socks5 OFF



    even if i force encryption with utorrent and deny legacy connections its still the same results..
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    Quote Originally Posted by n4overclock View Post
    im using my real ip for browsing and announcing to the the tracker but the peer connection and dht network goes trough the proxy it some how shows connectable on the peer list for the tracker..
    Hmm... I am not sure if would be connectable to your peers even when it shows so on the tracker as they are certainly going through different routes. Actually I don't have problems with downloading as my ISP doesn't throttle it. My concern is uploading, for which perhaps connectability and incoming connections are more important.

    Thanks for the advice. I will have a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n4overclock View Post
    im using my real ip for browsing and announcing to the the tracker but the peer connection and dht network goes trough the proxy it some how shows connectable on the peer list for the tracker..
    Quote Originally Posted by bjs View Post
    Hmm... I am not sure if would be connectable to your peers even when it shows so on the tracker as they are certainly going through different routes.
    So it is.
    As your announcing with your real ip, the tracker checks your_ip:your_port, which isn't influenced by the proxy used for peer connections.


    Quote Originally Posted by n4overclock View Post
    even if i force encryption with utorrent and deny legacy connections its still the same results..
    That's because it's possible for ISP to identify encrypted bittorrent traffic as such.



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    Quote Originally Posted by shoulder View Post
    That's because it's possible for ISP to identify encrypted bittorrent traffic as such.
    how hard is it for popular clients developers to upgrade for something a little bit more strong aka ccmp instead of rc4
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjs View Post
    My concern is uploading, for which perhaps connectability and incoming connections are more important.
    Definitely. A VPN with port forwarding or dedicated IPs would be best here.

    Quote Originally Posted by n4overclock View Post
    how hard is it for popular clients developers to upgrade for something a little bit more strong aka ccmp instead of rc4
    Protocol encryption is just a basic workaround.
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