Thread: Al Jazeera English: VIDEO: What future for 'Greater Israel'?

An interesting video on how Israel had it's financial start at the expense of the UN and other European states.

Six decades after its founding, Israel has grown into one of the world's top 20 industrial states, with GNP (General National Product) superior to all its neighbours combined

Oh, yes. No doubt.

The US and other interested states have a very strong interest in ensuring the financial stability of Israel and the continuation of the strength of it's military.

Thanks to decades of preferential treatment by Western superpowers, Israel has had its cake and eaten it too. It has occupied, annexed and exploited Palestinian and Arab lands with impunity, and at the same time received over $100bn as the West's foremost ally in the Middle East.

Europe and the US are the most influential parties involved. There is more aid to Israel by the Christian far right who have a faith and politiacal interest in ensuring that Israel get's the governmental funding that the US currently gives it.

The very strong Israeli lobby groups in the US and other European states also ensure that the funding for Israel remains totally and incomprehensibly out of proportion to other funding such as health care, housing, education, and aid to other countries that could use legit aid.

In the video, Avraham Burg mentions about a global policy world policy with respect to influence in the region.LIsten in carefully.



Israel does not even regard itself a part of the Middle east. Again, it's on the video.

The video also makes mention of New World strategy to end the wars in the Middle East. That may be, but I believe that there is far more to strategies in ending wars in the mIddle east.

In consideration of the NWO....I've come across the opinion of another person about test subjects.

We've all come across the notion of test subjects in science, yes??
We've come across the fact of having test animals for pharmaceutical testing, yes??

Would it be possible to have a large group of people ( disregarding ethnic differences here) as test subjects of the NWO??

Nevertheless....Israel is gainiing more and more control over the lands that Gazans and Palestinians once held. Literally throwing them off their lands by setting up illegal settlements, building a wall that is much larger than the wall that once separated East and West Berlin.

That wall is basically, and I've mentioned it once before, a land grab.

take the most fertile lands held by the Palestinians and give over to the Israeli settlers.

Israel's control over the Occupied Territories has radicalised its own society and identity as much as it has deformed that of the Palestinians.

Palestinians live in abject poverty. Very few journalists are permitted to travel to certain areas in GAza and Palestine.

Here is the link to Al Jazeera English news brief:

Al Jazeera English - Empire - What future for 'Greater Israel'?

Here is also a Google video that is about 1.5 hours long. If you have the time and interest, it's very interesting to watch. I do believe that it is reputable as well.

Occupation_101.avi

the above video touches upon about the historicity of the conflict, the disproportionate financial contributions that Israel gets from the US and other countries, the extreme poverty that the Palestinians live in compared to the Oasis's that are in the Israeli settlements.

It also talks about the war crimes that is committed by the Israeli army, yet because of VEto powers and the strength of it's army, is never questioned let alone prosecuted for.

Isn't there some kind of an idea running around that the longer and harder a suppressed people experience being under, that they eventually rise up and kick their masters in the ass and throw them out??

.....I hope so.

One day, it'll happen.

It's true that Zionism had it's role in the creation of the Israeli state. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Zionism is the international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, the historical homeland of the Jews. Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to support it.

Here is the wikipedia link to the above qoute:

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionism is a brand of nationalism.

It is a type of the broader phenomenon of modern nationalism

( from same link given above)

That's all good and godly to be nationalist for your own country.

It is a matter of pride for one's country and I can't say anything bad about that.
But when it comes to nationalism whereby it involves the extermination of an ethnic group of people, such as the Palestinian peoples then that's an entirely new concept and shouldn't be accepted in any way by any person in any region of the globe.

That is supportive of ethnic cleansing. Which is exactly what the Israelis are doing. Which is exactly what happened in Rwanda too.

It is true that all ethnic populations deserve a homeland. Even if that homeland is also populated by other ethnic groups that persecute a second ethnic group living in that same country or region. The old Yugoslavia republic is but just one example.
There are also examples in Africa...remember the genocide that occured in Rwanda??

Disregarding all critiques and controversies, that is but another example of the right of ethnic groups having a right to live somewhere on the earth; however, when it comes to wanting to shove- off the land, another ethnic group ( in this case Palestinians) and going on a rampage of ethnic cleansing is quite another.

Ethnic cleansing is genocide and is not only inhumane, morally illegal, totally incomprehensible, but also alien to the human psyche of compassion.

For a group of people ( that are faith serving that is, and it's not all Israeli's, it's just a select few in government, the Israeli military, and other groups of people set in positions of global influence and managing global events), I would say that it is unserving of God.

For an ally on the North American continent to favorably contribute over 100 billion dollars is atrocious. All the meanwhile contribute very, very little to the aid of the Palestinians oppressed or taking sides to end a peace process to only bring about a global image that it want's to end suppression, hunger, war, and so forth in the region.

It absolutely stymies my imagination on why a faith serving people would go ahead and serve up a plate of ethnic cleansing and take what land they can from the Palestinians.

This is also true for the Christian far-right.
Not all Christian peoples.
Those one's with a conscious and knowledge of the what's morally acceptable are exempt.
But I mean the very far right.

The one's that have this idea and support of Israeli's returning to thier Holy Land.

Here is a qoute from Wikipedia:

Christians have a long history of supporting the return of Jews to the Holy Land prior to Zionism. One of the principal Protestant teachers who promoted the biblical doctrine that the Jews would return to their national homeland was John Nelson Darby.

He is credited with being the major promoter of the idea ....... His views were embraced by many evangelicals and also affected international foreign policy.]

Just like I say.....international foreign policy. And by whom do you think??

Notable early supporters of Zionism include British Prime Ministers David Lloyd George and Arthur Balfour, American President Woodrow Wilson . ...... Christian Zionism strengthened significantly after the Six-Day War of 1967, and many dispensationalist Christians, especially in the United States, now strongly support Zionism.

No kidding, eh??
Supportive of Israel not only morally, but financially and politically as well.

You can read all that from the Wikepedia link that I gave above if you like.

And yes. I can see that the US government is caught in the claws of the lobby groups.
Fiddle with that and only a new government will get elected that is supportive of Israeli efforts and in the Middle east.

Is the President in that country a representative or a parent....??

No doubt a representative, I'd say.
People in positions of political office are meant to serve the people that elect them, but in this case, considering the strength of Israeli support, I'd say a servant and representative of Israel.

Not disregarding global influential efforts that don't really give a damn what government is in office in any country, though in this case it's the US that we're talking about since that country has such high global influence, those global influential groups would more than likely ensure that Israel gets the funding that it wants... er....that it is supposed to have.

As for the 2 state approach in the region, that's unlikely to succeed.

Many attempts have been made to broker a two-state solution, which would entail the creation of an independent Palestinian state alongside an independent Jewish state or next to the State of Israel

and as for this:

A handful of academics advocate a one-state solution, whereby all of Israel, the Gaza Strip, and West Bank would become a bi-national state with equal rights for all.

Israel doesn't care for such an approach, IMHO.

So after reading that, I can't but recall Apartheid South Africa before it changed it's ways in the 1990's after reading that.
Is it possible for Israel to garner the former establishment that the former Apartheid South Africa had in it's dealings with it's neighbors and resident non-white's??

well considering how antagonistic and vilifying some of the fundamental far-right in Israel and abroad are towards Palestinian peoples....most likely.

Here's the link for that:

Israeli?Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

as for this:

as for negotiating positions - if one builds more settlements, later he can have better negotiating position and if the negotiation fails, well, they just bought time for creating a few more settlements and so on

that I can see. Build a few more settlements and your bargaining power just increased ten-fold.

Here's something else from the last link that I gave:

The Israeli Cabinet issued a statement expressing that it does not wish the Palestinians to build up an army capable of offensive operations, considering that the only party against which such an army could be turned in the near future is Israel itself.

However, Israel has already allowed for the creation of a Palestinian police that can conduct police operations and also carry out limited-scale warfare. Palestinians have argued that the Israel Defense Forces, a large and modern armed force, poses a direct and pressing threat to the sovereignty of any future Palestinian state, making a defensive force for a Palestinian state a matter of necessity.

Of course not. The less resistance, the better off Israel is.

If there was a Palestinian army, then there would be more justification for Palestinians to have their own land with their own rights that could not be trampled upon by the Israelis. Such as the border wall that is still being constructed by the Israeli government to grab what fertile land the Palestinians currently have.

To this, Israelis claim that signing a treaty while building an army is a show of bad intentions.

that;'s just an excuse. Like I say above, the less resistance the better off Israel is. It's not the 'bad intentions' that are made mention of. It's the fact that Israel doesn't want any opposition to it's agenda of suppression of Palestinians.

The whole issue is just one event that is destined to turn into something far more than what is broadcast on the air waves.