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    The Documentary Thread

    It is said that every truth is only 50% truth.
    This truth is never gained from one source, but multiple sources and then it is filtered through our brains to conjure up the real truth.

    This thread is dedicated to all discussions on documentaries and other sources of information possible. Images, links, theories and the like is permitted.

    The one documentary that moved me was Water: The Great Mystery.

    There were some issues with this one that gives away its credibility like "we have the best water in the universe". However proof exists, and it has some logic to the fact that water may be a source of communication of all living things on the planet.
    What are your thoughts about this?
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    It is said that every truth is only 50% truth.
    depends on what is being said, depends on what perspective is being used, depends on what you mean by 'truth'
    here are a few absolute truths (yes, that means 100%, in any normal understanding of these words):

    - every journey that has a beginning also has an end (incl. unexpected ends)
    - everyone that has been born also has to die (which is perceived by 'entering' & 'exiting' a body or 'acquiring' & 'releasing' a body)
    - everyone currently living is also experiencing this/their life (incl. dreams or other/altered/unusual states of living)
    ...
    - you are not your body (you are like a driver attached to the car, using the car, but being and a being separate from the car, the car representing your body in this example)
    ...

    it could even be argued that everything you say or think is actually the truth, the truth of your current understanding - it may be flawed or incomplete if you compare it to some more accurate truth, but this doesn't make it less truthful to you since thats what you are currently working with or able to do/know, thats you current level

    This truth is never gained from one source, but multiple sources and then it is filtered through our brains to conjure up the real truth.
    learning through experience (practical & theoretical)
    the number of sources is irrelevant, its the quality of the source and the ability to learn that matters (0 sources = practical impossibility)
    the brain is something like a cpu, processing data arriving from the 'senses', neither the senses/organs nor the brain actually understand that data, they merely transport & transform the data into a usable form for you to access or work with (which means: you are not your brain either hehe, 'the brain' is a part of the car in the example above)

    we have the best water in the universe
    it could be argued that the 'best water' is that which you can immediately use as needed, in which case it is completely irrelevant whether there is water somewhere else in the universe
    it could also be argued that the 'best water' is water naturally coming from the ground/earth (aka drinking water?), which is naturally processed, containing exactly that which is necessary for sustaining the body in an optimal way, unlike all other kinds of water that may be less ideal or adequate in this sense

    proof exists, and it has some logic to the fact that water may be a source of communication of all living things on the planet.
    it has been known (from time immemorial) that all things in the world (living & so-called non-living) are interconnected in many ways: direct, indirect, physical/material, non-physical (energy,...), essential - some even argue that at the essential/fundamental level, every single thing in the world/universe is basically 'the same' or 'made of the same' or 'of the same essence' - the difference is how they are manifested (appearance/characteristics) and experienced (like a human, like a stone, like a bird, like a plant, like a planet, like an electron, like god(s) or demi-gods if you will, etc.)

    so basically, everything/every-thing you encounter is a 'source of information' and vice versa (you to them), which forms 'communication', your mere existence causes/enables communication - obviously, water is a part of this 'equation' but not necessarily as 'the source' (of all communication mentioned in the quote)

    notes:
    - haven't watched this docu (yet), so can't comment on the contents
    - when i use the word 'you', its meant in a general way, not necessarily the OP


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    Quote Originally Posted by slikrapid View Post
    you are not your body
    i am a meat popsicle
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    I watch some documentaries and I find it rare that an open mind is given to the subjects studied. Most of the time my perception is that the documentary film maker decided beforehand their vision of the truth. One in a while I'll find one that gives equally both sides of an issue and lets the viewer decide what that particular truth might be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sazzy
    i am a meat popsicle
    having fun?
    or revealing...

    ...the truth of your current understanding
    or both?

    btw. a better understanding of 'what/who you are' helps to put things into perspective, for example it reduces obsession with your body & its characteristics (reduced stress, better quality of life,...), but at the same time it means one less euphoric customer for a whole industry built around 'improving the body' (cosmetics, surgery, pharmaceuticals, therapy, treatments,...) - expand this result onto other industries/politics/ideologies based on similar falsehoods/ignorance/hype and you can understand why this kind of basic knowledge/understanding of life is not welcome in our societies, at least not in a transparent way, less suitable for the usual practice of exploiting/packaging/marketing/manufacturing

    Quote Originally Posted by tr-cht-fx-242p
    Most of the time my perception is that the documentary film maker decided beforehand their vision of the truth. One in a while I'll find one that gives equally both sides of an issue and lets the viewer decide what that particular truth might be.
    well, leaving aside other involved interests/influences for a moment (the financiers, the agenda, the obstacles,...), the documentary maker is possibly a person already heavily? involved in the topic of his research, thus already having a strong position regarding the topic and this position will be noticeably favored throughout the documentary - also, the question is whether the documentary maker is really interested in the truth, would he know the truth if somebody told him so, would he be willing to accept something contrary to his own beliefs, is he only interested in a good fight/controversy (as in: good moneymaker), etc. - furthermore, some seemingly non biased documentaries are actually created to give an appearance of equality (pick just the weak opposing positions in order for own position to appear very strong, pick just a small number of other positions in order for own position to appear very supported with evidence, leave out other quality positions that fall outside of the usual dualistic 'two major sides' camps,...)
    so unless you already know the agenda/reasons, the only way is to check it out and see whether it makes sense or not, though since we live in the age of corruption it is very likely that the material will have many flaws within (expected outcome)


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    Quote Originally Posted by slikrapid View Post
    having fun?
    or revealing...

    or both?
    having fun :) I just like the fifth element.
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    What are we gonna do? This is horrible, everything is horrible. We're doomed...
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain.
    ... and since I can remember, I've always been different that others, and I've never been on the majority side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Razor
    What are we gonna do?
    in this case avoid things like: eating gm food, eating meat from animals that were fed gm food, supporting gm related companies/politicians/parties/promoters, spreading their propaganda,...
    also, make sure you eat quality food if possible, find good organic sources of food (trusted gm-free suppliers with adequate growing methods) and/or grow your own food (garden, balcony, field,..., with trusted seeds and eventually with own seeds)
    in other words: if you can, avoid it - if you can't right now then do it later on - if you cannot at all, hope/pray/believe/trust you'll be able to find a way in the future (optimism) - plus, don't support gm/gmo advocates & spread the truth --> (a sign of) good karma (win-win situation)

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Razor
    This is horrible, everything is horrible. We're doomed...
    its nasty stuff, but not insurmountable nor unexpected - thats just some of the distorted/perverted things that happen in the 'age of ignorance', in our 'advanced societies'


    the point here is to understand the negative effects of gm & gm products, the overall intentional negligence regarding their adoption/implementation (involved authorities & acteurs), etc. and to act accordingly (for example as mentioned above)
    the point is NOT to become depressive/pessimistic/lethargic/phlegmatic/guilt-ridden/scared/over-emotional/obsessed/... because these things only entangle you in their own vicious circle, like obstacles drawing attention away from the important/relevant
    in a more fundamental sense, the point is to understand & accept reality for what it is, not for what we 'think it is' (transitional phase) or for what we may 'want it to be' (fantasy scenarios, wishful thinking, hollywood phase? ), otherwise the illusion(s) & ignorance continues

    btw. another related documentary (scene released) this year was:

    Genetic Roulette: The Gamble of our Lives (2012)

    goes more in depth on the modification process itself (hence the title) and the effects - it was made by one of the guest speakers in the above 'seeds of death' docu


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    This is remarkable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Razor
    This is remarkable.
    remarkably inaccurate?
    they want to see the connection to illuminati 'everywhere' even though it is not really clear whether that organization ever existed (scarce/unconvincing evidence) or was simply used as a paranoia-inducing tool (the ghost-like arch-enemy) in the past (effects: destroyed secret societies of the time, convenient scapegoat,...) and the present (fuels conspiracies, convenient scapegoat,...)

    since i apparently didn't have anything better to do, might as well try to guess what these image elements represent:

    1,2,3,15 - a tough one:
    - animal evolution (animal-->human), dangerous voyage, exit evolved or dead, continue the voyage, that monkey looks at us = aware or eligible to evolve
    - could also be death/birth or characters in the subconscious show behind the scenes or a level below the surface (11,23)
    4 - the most evil, yet also very marginal? doesn't make sense
    5,21 - its a world of (human) animals or an animal kingdom or an animal show, the star being the 'show-off' peacock
    6,10 - race equality? twins? umbilical cord?
    7,11,19,23 - male king, female queen of animals, the queen being exposed as a scary creature (whoever did this part of the image was likely male, insecure too), could represent parents too, presiding over the newborn/child
    8,9,20,24 - a dangerous voyage (for the listener?) into MJ's inner world full of strange things (subconscious?)
    12 - there's no triangle on the original cover and its a weak idea, plus the 'i' or 'eye' is misplaced/missing
    13,18 - monkey with a crown - MJ as a public persona/mask/facade, a trained monkey in a circus/show or a clown with a crown (he aced it?)
    14,16,22 - corrupt rich white old adult (with crazy ideas = head midget circus-like conductor) & innocent/african child in a natural habitat (skeleton = reminder of the evolution or rich people's environmental misdeeds or dragon/dinosaur symbolism), kid = higher than the adult, more important, has to be kept safe (MJ's hand?)
    17 - white elephants, favored by royalty as rare/valuable specimens or circus animals or dreams/night/sky symbols, a level above the surface (11,23)
    25 - total darkness outside of this scene = 'ran out of ideas' or 'nothing there to see' or 'the unknown', other dark scenes 2,8,15 represent the unknown/obscure

    so i'd say that the image represents a voyage into MJ's inner world (thats what a music album in a way is), the real (cool) MJ hiding/lurking/watching/awaiting behind this facade of animalistic entertainment (his daily role or job) which he performs at a top level (king of pop), including dualistic symbolism (rich/poor, male/female, black/white,...), perhaps some views on evolution/environment and whatnot
    also, its a pretty good album/music, if you can dig it (the genre/style), recommended song/video: 'who is it'


    Quote Originally Posted by article
    Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory
    remarkably accurate (even if unintentional by the article authors)?

    jesus is the son of god, child of god, just like all other humans, ie. he represents a human being in an enlightened state of existence
    purgatory is a place or a process wherein impurities are being purged or cleansed, our earth-bound life can be understood as an example of or a part of such a place/process, where that which needs cleansing is our current ignorance of the most basic questions in life, like: its meaning, where does it lead to, who are we really (true self), what's our connection to this world and its other inhabitants, etc. which leads towards enlightenment
    in other words: everyone is an intelligent being going through a process of learning (practical & theoretical), the final goal/outcome being: achieving enlightenment

    so in religious/spiritual terms regardless of the religion/spirituality involved (applicable to all of them): everyone is a child of god being cleansed of ignorance (of god), after which everyone can be properly aligned with god and be fully aware of that what they always have been: a part of god in perfect union with god (which includes any and every stage or state or part of one's existence, incl. purgatory and whatever else is/was/will be)

    this even works for atheists/agnostics/..., just replace the word 'god' with something like: 'whatever you consider as the essential/guiding/driving principle or intelligence of the universe', and if someone considers the universe having own intelligence, that someone may call himself a child of the Universe (true Mr. Universe? )

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    Memories of that overzealous English teacher, who forced you to accept that every character, every scene and every action had a deep inner meaning have led to widespread fear on the part of readers and viewers everywhere that every tale secretly contains some other story being told in subtext. The end result of this is a state of mind that interprets every plot as an allegory for the rebuilding of one's soul...
    Rampant paranoia results from this state; one cannot look at anything without being suspicious that this is some kind of allegory...
    how about the following for a deeper meaning of anything you encounter, have contact with, think about, read about, hear of, listen to, etc.: all of these things were at some point and in some way a part of your life, having an impact on your life and its course, which could be called (very) important - add to this the interconnectedness of everything in the world and you just got a situation where every single thing in existence had some kind of a direct/indirect effect/impact/influence on your life, which means they are all important - also, if this is taken or accepted as a perfectly normal/natural occurrence (law of nature?), there is no need for paranoia or the like


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    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    4 - the most evil, yet also very marginal? doesn't make sense
    The devil is hidden, no one can see it. Which is why it's way in the corner, doesn't draw any attention to itself.

    5,21 - its a world of (human) animals or an animal kingdom or an animal show, the star being the 'show-off' peacock
    You're joking right?

    6,10 - race equality? twins? umbilical cord?
    Yes, an umbilical cord tied to a large mechanism, the real world. That bubble you see at #10 is our world as wee see it, day by day.
    They are supplying us with what they think we need.

    12 - there's no triangle on the original cover and its a weak idea, plus the 'i' or 'eye' is misplaced/missing
    That eye of yours could be the monkey. The puppet that controls the fake world.

    13,18 - monkey with a crown - MJ as a public persona/mask/facade, a trained monkey in a circus/show or a clown with a crown (he aced it?)
    I don't think so. Angels are putting his crown on - angels could represent us, innocent folk that willingly embrace our puppet leaders (presidents etc.).

    7,11,19,23 - male king, female queen of animals, the queen being exposed as a scary creature (whoever did this part of the image was likely male, insecure too), could represent parents too, presiding over the newborn/child
    8,9,20,24 - a dangerous voyage (for the listener?) into MJ's inner world full of strange things (subconscious?)

    14,16,22 - corrupt rich white old adult (with crazy ideas = head midget circus-like conductor) & innocent/african child in a natural habitat (skeleton = reminder of the evolution or rich people's environmental misdeeds or dragon/dinosaur symbolism), kid = higher than the adult, more important, has to be kept safe (MJ's hand?)
    #22 is miochael's hand if you noticed the taped fingers which saved the child. The child plays with a relic (past-tense) of the evil, i.e. michael saved the child and now he's playing with the remains of the danger.
    #14 I have no ideea. Half of the sites say he's P.T Barnum other say Weishaupt. Regardless, it is interpreted as rich and poor (leads to power over powerless) and bad and good. This nut supervises the conveyor belt (look at his eyes) which takes all the crap humanity has been dealing with (nuclear, biological, genetic engineering. There aren't two items the same.

    17 - white elephants, favored by royalty as rare/valuable specimens or circus animals or dreams/night/sky symbols, a level above the surface (11,23)
    The white elephant symbolizes a possesion that one cannot give away or escape from. We have two sides, left good - untainted one and right - consumed world, evil takes over.
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    The devil is hidden, no one can see it. Which is why it's way in the corner, doesn't draw any attention to itself.
    whatever we perceive as wrong/evil can be easily explained as 'action caused by ignorance' (if those who did the wrong/evil deed were wise/enlightened, they most certainly wouldn't make obviously huge errors in judgement/behavior/knowledge/understanding/...) - you can even observe yourself and a truthful reason for why you do what you do would be: 'well, i didn't know any better - i thought that was the right thing to do'

    so this devil (the evil) actually represents ignorance and isn't really hidden at all, on the contrary, it 'operates' in plain sight, however people aren't accustomed to such examination (they like mainstream expert opinion) and often cannot see the most obvious of things, things right in front of their nose, though, granted, own ignorance is somewhat difficult to pinpoint or admit

    5,21
    ok, here's a better one: this one could also be interpreted as a symbol of enlightenment, between and above the pillars (of duality), resembling an eye and having the pentagram inside, whereas the peacock acts as a decoration symbolizing magnificence and the other animals are intuitively drawn to the scene due to its significance

    They are supplying us with what they think we need.
    in other words, they are doing what they think that should be done, their 'action caused by ignorance' (of what would be a proper/enlightened thing to do) - this corresponds nicely to that what i mentioned above about ignorance

    That eye of yours could be the monkey. The puppet that controls the fake world.
    its position is wrong, there's a nice space just below the tip of the triangle to accommodate it but somehow it is missing - could mean that the MJ facade (MJ, the entertainer) is not an enlightened persona, hence no symbol of enlightenment, this actually makes sense

    michael saved the child
    hmm, he was a manchild himself, having major trouble to save himself (physical/emotional/psychological problems visible to outside observers), let alone someone else - perhaps the only thing where he excelled was music/dance/entertainment/popularity

    We have two sides, left good - untainted one and right - consumed world, evil takes over.
    you mean the other way around? right=good ('the right thing to do'), left=evil/bad


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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    #14 I have no ideea. Half of the sites say he's P.T Barnum other say Weishaupt.
    the album was released for a major label and often these major releases have strange/suspicious covers, it is likely that MJ was a co-author of the cover, whereas the main designer or art supervisor would have been someone skilled in crafting symbolic images, combining MJ's original ideas (animals, children, monkeys, the circus/show,...) and corporate propaganda (enlightenment/dualism, symbols, royalty, placement & arrangement, since they like to appear advanced in public eyes, seem powerful, etc.) - what i'm saying is that MJ would not have the slightest chance of exposing something via imagery, while the lyrics would be a somewhat better tool (poetry is harder and not many read it anyways, but everyone looks at the cover) - also, it is highly unlikely that MJ would even have something special to expose other than the usual celebrity-world related crimes, its not like he was someone known for frequenting secret clubs or hanging out with strange cult leaders and whatnot - thus, whatever is suspicious on the image most likely does not represent MJ's message at all, but rather the corporate propaganda or the corporate message combined with MJ's ideas

    Regardless, it is interpreted as rich and poor (leads to power over powerless) and bad and good. This nut supervises the conveyor belt (look at his eyes) which takes all the crap humanity has been dealing with (nuclear, biological, genetic engineering. There aren't two items the same.
    14,16 - another thing here: the child can represent innocence & environmental concern, the adult lack thereof or corruption (as well as the financial side), innocence & corruption are again dualities and these two human figures are even aligned with the pillars (of duality) extending above them - that conveyor (or road) between them might be one that brings products out towards the listener/consumer, that dark inner world may also represent the (dangerous) future (which choice to make?), technological advances strung between the innocent part of the world (majority or benevolent curious scientists) and the corrupt wealthy (crazed exploitative minority), while the whole globe gets attached to a factory? (exploitation), powering these technological behemoths around (corporations?)


    a little more on ignorance:

    Quote Originally Posted by ...
    ...forgive them, for they know not what they do
    a famous quote which talks about ignorance, for if they knew what they were doing and what is the right thing to do, they most certainly wouldn't do what they did (the wrong or bad or evil thing) while being ignorant

    this works even for extreme cases: people having some mental illness or hardcore criminals or illuminati if you will - they all do that 'what they think is right', but due to their distorted perception (again, ignorance intensified by the illness or the bad company or elitist indoctrination, respectively) they have a distorted or different definition of 'what is right' compared to average people, they have a different/distorted way of looking at other people or things (illogical or with disrespect or with contempt, respectively) and finally they are also ignorant of having a distorted perception compared to others - to quote myself: they all act with(in) their current level of understanding, no more and no less

    once you understand that these people are basically trapped in their own vicious circle of ignorance which can be dissolved by simply acquiring a better understanding of their situation, of themselves, of the world around them and of the basics or the essence of existence itself (the meaning of it all, the reason for it all), then your own attitude changes and you will act accordingly (to that newfound understanding), furthermore this can be applied to everyone else (ordinary people) who have their own circles of ignorance as well, which need cleansing (the purgatory motif or the yin-yang symbol) in order to advance

    MJ did a nice song called 'heal the world' and i'd expand that into 'teach the world' (in order to dissolve the ignorance, thus effectively healing the world) or a variation: 'teach yourself' first (ie. learn), in order to heal your own wounds/ignorance first (and then you may 'cast the first stone', which you probably won't because your newfound understanding tells you it would be the obviously wrong thing to do)

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    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    The truth will set you free
    give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach him how to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime; teach him 'the basics of his own existence' and you free him for eternity - free from what? from ignorance (of how to properly live his life, of who he really is, of what is the purpose of his life, of what is the purpose of this universe/world, of what is his relationship to that fish and other inhabitants of the world, of what is the essence of all that exists,...)


    Parable of the Two Birds

    Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him...

    ...@ en.wikipedia.org Paramatman

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