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garv172
01.03.09, 20:37
I saw this on another site and wanted to share i dont think this could ever happen what your opinion




Every significant Internet provider around the globe is currently in talks with access and content providers to transform the internet into a television-like medium: no more freedom, you pay for a small commercial package of sites you can visit and you'll have to pay for seperate subscriptions for every site that's not in the package.

Video Link:

Net Neutrality - I Power (http://ipower.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2057690%3ABlogPost%3A311459)

Almost all smaller websites/services will disappear over time and multinationals who are used to using big budgets to brute force their content into every media outlet will finally be able to approach the internet in the same way.

What can we do?Internet providers have realized that the only way to not lose massive amounts of customers over this is to make sure there are no alternatives, that's why all major Internet providers are currently making agreements and planning to switch simultaneously somewhere in the year 2012. This is currently all going on under very strict NDA's (Non-Disclosure Agreements) because the last thing they want is the masses speaking out against it.

We were able to uncover this information because we have been well-known net neutrality activists for longer than a year now and over time have we've gotten in contact with many high-profile industry insiders. We will continue our activism and the I Power website serves as a platform for joining forces, sharing ideas and spreading awareness.

It's our responsibility to spread the word, use any sort of political or media contacts you may know. The more awareness there is, the more impossible it'll be for Internet providers to make this switch. Let's make sure that by 2012, ISP's won't even dare think about doing anything that goes against the principles of net neutrality.


More info...Net neutrality has been a much debated issue for several years now and there have been many lawsuits in cases where an Internet provider blocked access to a certain competitor's site or simply crippled download speeds on services that they felt were using up too much of their bandwidth. But this new information that has now been confirmed by inside sources from major ISP's and content providers gives us a far bleaker vision of what the future of Internet freedom will look like if we don't take action in every way we can.

Why is this happening? The entire media and marketing industry is losing its grip on the upcoming generations of Internet-minded consumers. Statistics show that traditional media is losing popularity as the Internet continues to grow drastically every year. And the Internet is a completely different place: consumers aren't passive any more and advertisements don't have the same psychological effect they normally have on television. Internet users are very active and focused: they only go to the sites and services they want, and with an infinite amount of alternatives, users simply switch to something else if one service becomes too commercialized with annoying advertisements.With this in mind, it's no surprise that the past 6 years the industry has secretly been planning a 'take-over' to secure the Internet as a purely commercial playground.


Spread The WordBut there is hope... More and more people are becoming aware of the importance of net neutrality and now that we have uncovered what the industries have been plotting, it's not just about big corporations forming shady agreements, it's about what they will say to their users who will demand an explanation from their providers on what will happen to their access in 2012. As long as there are alternatives, we can pressure those providers who admit to being against net neutrality and favor those who take a stand and choose to give their users their freedom even after 2012. We can keep pushing for net neutrality laws and we can start spreading awareness on a massive scale to make sure that ISP's think twice before signing anything that'll go against the freedom that made the Internet into the important open medium that it is today.

It's our responsibility, spread the word and use any sort of political or media contacts you may know. Let's make sure that by 2012, ISP's won't even dare think about doing anything that goes against the principles of net neutrality.
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anon
01.03.09, 20:53
Put between QUOTE tags. :wink:

Thanks for posting this here.


Let's make sure that by 2012, ISP's won't even dare think about doing anything that goes against the principles of net neutrality.

I think the same. Blocking/throttling/sandvining has already been around for enough time - ask any Comcast suscriber about how frustrating it is to see upload speeds rise to then drop down to 0. This makes it practically impossible to seed. Also, all major canadian ISPs have recently started to throttle P2P. - but companies merging into one to become the Internet and decide what you can visit and what not with heavily restricted plans and added fees is something new for me - that doesn't prevent it from being even worse, though.

The second they find out, people just won't let them go that way, and with good reason. Believe me, providers are going to encounter heavy resistance should they decide to take this "plan" to reality.

I voted "no", partly because I really don't want it to happen.

garv172
01.03.09, 22:05
I think you are right there is no way people will just let it happen there will be protest im sure the internet is like a big community and another thing you didnt mention is that if they did this im sure small companys would would emerge to start to "give the internet back how it was" and how would they be able to compete and in a way its already like that if you want a cable provife there is only one in your area ive moved 10 miles and had to get a different provider same with dsl

slikrapid
02.03.09, 01:44
this scenario sounds conspirative, but not really unimaginable, after all the ISPs hold the keys to internet for most users except maybe some academic & private networks or free wireless...

but then again, news on the net spread fast and since most of the users are interested in it being free/uncensored such a conspiracy would have a large scale opposition and would only result in hurting the reputation (and sales surely) of those ISPs involved

i also think it won't happen, but you know how it is, 'they' are always cooking something :wink:

what was that famous quote:

das preiß der freiheit ist ewige wachsamkeit

btw sorry for the german quote, translation would probably ruin it :wink:

anon
02.03.09, 17:35
another thing you didnt mention is that if they did this im sure small companys would would emerge to start to "give the internet back how it was" and how would they be able to compete and in a way its already like that if you want a cable provife there is only one in your area ive moved 10 miles and had to get a different provider same with dsl

You're fully right. Everyone would turn to providers giving what people want, and with good reason - they'd be providing a restriction-free service whereas the other ISPs control what you can do and what not.

Although there'd be the issue that when those small companies realize their customers have virtually no choice but them, they'd start raising fees... like with monopoly...


this scenario sounds conspirative, but not really unimaginable, after all the ISPs hold the keys to internet for most users except maybe some academic & private networks or free wireless...

Yes, they see and control every byte you move through your connection.


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what was that famous quote:

das preiß der freiheit ist ewige wachsamkeit

btw sorry for the german quote, translation would probably ruin it :wink:

Does it mean "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance"?

If so - I once read a tutorial on "how to be really anonymous", and it involved wardriving through different cities every day, spoofing your MAC to access open Wi-Fi hotspots, which you'd hook on to access private, encrypted proxies, and then start working - and this would kind of back up your quote.

alanine
05.03.09, 17:47
I doubt it will become reality, nonetheless i voted yes. I did this because I believe that they might try (which is why i voted yes) but will be met with immense resistance.

slikrapid
05.03.09, 20:43
Does it mean "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance"?

not sure, close enough i suppose, i remembered it from a german version of an older game: Wing Commander IV

'small' companies able to resist would have to have their own infrastructure, as other small players usually lease their cables from the big ones, offering for a minor percentage lower price; and still there is the question of connecting to backbones controlled by others that might have filters of their own

the so called net-neutrality is constantly being 'chewed on' as not all information on the net is available to everyone, example: google indexing that uses filters in order not to show pages indicated by copyright companies as infringing (they openly admitted to cooperation on these issues) or a more aggressive filtering method used to censor unwanted information for chinese users ordered by their government

to paraphrase myself: they are always cooking something, it is important to be aware, stay alert, spread the word and act if necessary and better yet to have independent organizations to do this on daily basis

anon
05.03.09, 21:10
'small' companies able to resist would have to have their own infrastructure, as other small players usually lease their cables from the big ones, offering for a minor percentage lower price; and still there is the question of connecting to backbones controlled by others that might have filters of their own

That's correct. It already happens with ISP bandwidth that's P2P-throttled before it reaches the providers themselves, so I don't see why it can't happen with plain censorship.

sisonvher
07.03.09, 20:00
Hope, it will not happen.

anon
31.03.13, 00:00
Well, it's 2013 (that phrase seems to be a favorite in this forum nowadays?) and this didn't happen!